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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 5522720" data-attributes="member: 762">I'm realy not sure where you're getting this from at all. The whole point (certainly from me and from what I've seen the great majority in the thread) is what exactly causes a caster to be overpowered in some instances - and what can be done about it so it doesn't happen - there have been several suggestions both for why casters can be perseived as overpowered and what can be done about it? I don't see anyone yelling "I plan to abuse the system to the best of my ability and you can't stop me!"Also, I'm not exactly getting what a player in your group would do to be considered abusive, rude etc. Let's say a new player in a new campaign took color spray, for example. He uses it in several combats, which turns some potentially difficult combats into a cakewalk (cast colorspray incapacitate 2-4+ opponents, everyone beats them to a pulp etc.) - Is it wrong of him to continue to use one of the most powerful 1st level spells? Is it ok as long as he didn't realise how unbalanced the spell is (as it completely bypasses the HP mechanic and is save or die at first level) Is it ok as long as he's not a jerk about it? What's the criteria? or is it more of a you know it when you see it type thing?honestly curious.</blockquote>