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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5523405" data-attributes="member: 61155">Yeah, I think both of these situations are ones that a good DM can, of course, avoid. But I think that can be a problem in and of itself - if the game requires a certain level of system mastery on behalf of the DM in order to be enjoyable.  Especially as you get higher level. At level 1, you've got one spell for the DM to worry about - Color Spray. Soon you add Glitterdust into the mix. And buff spells, and divinations, and more - and by higher level, in order to properly 'challenge' a high level wizard, the DM might need to spend hours of optimizing on their own. Or resort to blanket solutions like sticking the wizard in an Antimagic field - and while that might be interesting once, it could get real old, real fast.  Now, that isn't to say that every game will require that level of planning to avoid a caster overwhelming it. Nor is it to say that some groups won't enjoy that level of one-upmanship. But I think for many, that it is part of the problem.   And just to be clear, again, I wasn't necessarily using that as an example of the imbalance in the system. It is something that could have been addressed with different encounters or characters. My main point there was that it was an example of the spells and powers presenting this sort of imbalance without any optimization or powergaming required.  The character was a Cleric, and took an appropriate Domain spell. In this situation, it trivialized another character's participation, and largely incidentally. This is a thing that could happen, and it could happen without anyone setting out to build the guy who always 'wins', as Jeff Wilder had suggested.</blockquote>

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