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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 5525230" data-attributes="member: 15538">As far as 3e goes, a fighter can be a competent leader of men. With Leadership, Negotiator, and some cross-class skills, he can meet and beat routine DCs. Smart fighters, anyway, or at least, human ones. However, he is clearly far behind the bard or Cleric in such things, which is not ideal. It is true that in AD&amp;D, the fighter attracted loyal fighting men in a way in which other classes simply could not. Fighters were imbedded in the social order, while wizards and thieves stood apart, and clerics had the loyalty of religious flocks rather than states. Fantasy Craft handles this pretty well. First of all, their version of the fighter, the Soldier, gets medium Fort and high Will, making him a good bit pluckier. Further, they have two leader-type classes, Captain, and Noble, which could be used either as a foundation to, or an addition to, Soldier levels. Lastly, there are origin options and feats that can make people skills more accessible to the fighter. Additionally, Holdings and Contacts can bind impressed armsmen to the fighter, even if he's not much of a &quot;people person&quot; in general.Pathfinder, despite some fairly minor changes, does much better than 3.5 for the landed fighter! Cross-class skills mean nothing more than losing a +3 bonus to the skill, and feats such as Skill Focus and Negotiator offer some scaling benefits.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 5525230, member: 15538"] As far as 3e goes, a fighter can be a competent leader of men. With Leadership, Negotiator, and some cross-class skills, he can meet and beat routine DCs. Smart fighters, anyway, or at least, human ones. However, he is clearly far behind the bard or Cleric in such things, which is not ideal. It is true that in AD&D, the fighter attracted loyal fighting men in a way in which other classes simply could not. Fighters were imbedded in the social order, while wizards and thieves stood apart, and clerics had the loyalty of religious flocks rather than states. Fantasy Craft handles this pretty well. First of all, their version of the fighter, the Soldier, gets medium Fort and high Will, making him a good bit pluckier. Further, they have two leader-type classes, Captain, and Noble, which could be used either as a foundation to, or an addition to, Soldier levels. Lastly, there are origin options and feats that can make people skills more accessible to the fighter. Additionally, Holdings and Contacts can bind impressed armsmen to the fighter, even if he's not much of a "people person" in general. Pathfinder, despite some fairly minor changes, does much better than 3.5 for the landed fighter! Cross-class skills mean nothing more than losing a +3 bonus to the skill, and feats such as Skill Focus and Negotiator offer some scaling benefits. [/QUOTE]

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