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<blockquote data-quote="Votan" data-source="post: 5525296" data-attributes="member: 18680">This is a good point.But I think genre fiction is a good place to look for ways that these classes can be balanced with the game world.&nbsp; I think that the general sense I get is that the fighter has a very sparse set of out of combat options but doesn't dominate in combat.&nbsp; Ending up as rulers or leaders is a nice way to bring this balance back (and was the classic AD&amp;D approach).&nbsp; In a sense, does the class model martial artist (obsessive focus on fighting) or soldier (where leadership and tactics would be part of the training).&nbsp; Given the monk, I usually assumed the latter (but valid alternate interpretations of the class exist).&nbsp; My personal break point was in that set of FR novels where they made the weak will save of high levels fighters a plot point (which seemed to just break with historical archetypes).&nbsp; That being said, I think the fighter (and Barbarian, to a lesser extent) is a uniquely weak element of high level 3.X D&amp;D.&nbsp; The class works fine, even at high levels, in 1E, 2E and 4E.&nbsp; More interestingly, 1/2E and 4E each solve this issue in very different (and equally valid) ways.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Votan, post: 5525296, member: 18680"] This is a good point. But I think genre fiction is a good place to look for ways that these classes can be balanced with the game world. I think that the general sense I get is that the fighter has a very sparse set of out of combat options but doesn't dominate in combat. Ending up as rulers or leaders is a nice way to bring this balance back (and was the classic AD&D approach). In a sense, does the class model martial artist (obsessive focus on fighting) or soldier (where leadership and tactics would be part of the training). Given the monk, I usually assumed the latter (but valid alternate interpretations of the class exist). My personal break point was in that set of FR novels where they made the weak will save of high levels fighters a plot point (which seemed to just break with historical archetypes). That being said, I think the fighter (and Barbarian, to a lesser extent) is a uniquely weak element of high level 3.X D&D. The class works fine, even at high levels, in 1E, 2E and 4E. More interestingly, 1/2E and 4E each solve this issue in very different (and equally valid) ways. [/QUOTE]

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