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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ultimatecalibur" data-source="post: 5525302" data-attributes="member: 59539">Looking back at things the Fighter/Fighting-Man lost a lot of power in the transition from 2e to 3.x. Warning the following data is from memoryIn 2e the best AC was -10 and primarily the domain of rare/unique creatures such as the Tarrasque or Fighters outfitted in +5 Full plate and +5 Shields. non-magical Full Plate with Shield was AC 0.A Fighter had a starting Thac0 of 20 that decreased by 1 per level and gained .5 attacks per round every 6 levels that used the Fighters full attack bonus. Specialization in a melee weapon granted +1 to hit, +2 damage and .5 attacks.At level 10 a Fighter with a Str of 9 (minimum Fighter strength; no penalty) had a Thac0 of 11 that allowed him to hit an opponent in non-magical Full Plate and Shield with a random non-magical weapon 50% of the time with 3 attacks every 2 rounds. Equipped with a +3 weapon that he is specialized in and a Belt of Hill Giant Strength (set Str to 19) the same Fighter would have an effective Thac0 of 4 and could hit AC -10 30% of the time with 2 attacks per round dealing a minimum of 12 damage per hit. Considering that creature hp rarely went over 100 that is a lot of damage.I don't have an "average" 3.x Fighter build on hand, but I think that the 3.x Fighter ends up relatively weaker even with all the customization.</blockquote>