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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 5525530" data-attributes="member: 762">Really? 2 skill points per level is enough to cover it? Fighters are already stat dependant so it's unlikely you will have much over that for most builds (maybe an extra 1 or 2 if you are going for an expertise build, but the rules punish you for it).From many of your posts You really, really hate it when others declare broad generalisations as fact. Perhaps you should stop doing it? What martial skill do fighters have other than "I hit it hard?" It would actually be a nice add-on rule if fighters could (or could at least take feats) to provide tactical bonuses to those around them.I'm sorry but this statement is utter BS (and again doing exactly what you say you hate). Many 3e fans love the system but hate the implementation of the fighter (and acknowledge it as a weak class). Some of us like the Bo9S as what "fighters should be." Others, who don't like the wuxia angle of the Bo9S like the add ons in Players Handbook II with the fighters feats that finally, finally don't suck. Pathfinder also recognised some of the weaknesses and has several feats to try and patch them. I frankly don't think pathfinder goes far enough but I (and my players) love the Bo9S so we actually have no problem there. I would gladly play in another 3e game (not DM though, I don't have the time to do it as properly as I like and like I used to, but that's a different complaint) and to suggest I somehow hate 3e because I dislike the implementation of the fighter class is ludicrous.His argument is "fighter implementation is flawed and weak compared to the other classes." You have yet to actually refute the argument in any meaningful way.Again with this weird belief that if you thinks wizards are overpowered or think the fighter is underpowered you don't like 3e. There are easy ways to fix both of these beliefs right within the system, but that doesn't mean you can't hold the belief and expound it when called for on a message board.You don't have to extrapolate to everyone, or even most, you just have to show that it happens often enough to be an issue worthy of discussion. And to reiterate "You don't like fighter or wizard implementaion... move to 4e" is silly (move to 4e if you like 4e - pretty simple really) how about "if you don't like wizard or fighter implementation in 3e but like 3e... try one of the many variants available in 3e.</blockquote>

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