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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5525647" data-attributes="member: 42582">I cannot agree with the last sentence. If a novice player and/or novice GM, simply by playing the game out of the box and using the options presented can break the game that easily, then there is (in my view) the paradigm of a system problem. It's not as if Colour Spray is some spell from an optional supplement that only the die-hards will know about, and hence will adjust their game to take account of. It's there in the PHB. If the system is well-designed, there ought to be no basis for being accused of douchebaggery simply by picking up the books and using them to build a PC and then play the game.To put it another way - if this doesn't count as a system problem, what would?(Now if someone wants to argue that Colour Spray, or Holy Word, or whatever is not game breaking, that's a different matter.)Or in other word, this.If it's OK for you to have the game system you like, such that others have to do (b) for it to be playable by them, then what is wrong with them in fact doing (c), so that the game system becomes one they like, leaving you free to do (b) in turn. Or, in other words, why is your desire for preservation more important than someone else's desire for change?I would have though that the answer is - neither person's preference is inherently more valuable than the other's, and hence that discussions along those lines may not be very profitable.</blockquote>