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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5526806" data-attributes="member: 957">I disagree that it is that hard in 3E.&nbsp; As a matter if fact, I know it is not.&nbsp; If you want to talk about improving the 3E skill system, I'm interested.&nbsp; It can certainly be improved.&nbsp; But making a a great leader fighter easily fits in the 3E design space using pure fighters.&nbsp; And, on top of that, since the 3E design space presumes the existence of multi-class and PClass characters, the challenge quickly becomes trivial.&nbsp; The fighter fights.&nbsp; That is a good thing.&nbsp; And part of the reason it is a good thing is it is a base piece that you have tons of tools for building on.&nbsp; You want pure combat machine?&nbsp; Then that core is there without leadership automatically tacked on, you can add it or not.I also disagree that you are accurately characterizing &quot;the fighter isn't very good at being a general&quot;.&nbsp; And, this all gets back to one of my long time complaints about 4E in general in that a foundation design assumption is that everyone is capable at everything.&nbsp; Every fighter gains in skill at leading.&nbsp; Every single one. Just as every single wizard gets better at hitting things with a stick and climbing walls and picking locks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5526806, member: 957"] I disagree that it is that hard in 3E. As a matter if fact, I know it is not. If you want to talk about improving the 3E skill system, I'm interested. It can certainly be improved. But making a a great leader fighter easily fits in the 3E design space using pure fighters. And, on top of that, since the 3E design space presumes the existence of multi-class and PClass characters, the challenge quickly becomes trivial. The fighter fights. That is a good thing. And part of the reason it is a good thing is it is a base piece that you have tons of tools for building on. You want pure combat machine? Then that core is there without leadership automatically tacked on, you can add it or not. I also disagree that you are accurately characterizing "the fighter isn't very good at being a general". And, this all gets back to one of my long time complaints about 4E in general in that a foundation design assumption is that everyone is capable at everything. Every fighter gains in skill at leading. Every single one. Just as every single wizard gets better at hitting things with a stick and climbing walls and picking locks. [/QUOTE]

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