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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5532428" data-attributes="member: 22779">Then what is Kn Geography for then?I would point out that Paizo disagrees with you here.  In the Savage Tide AP, it requires Kn Geography checks to chart a course from point A to B.  You then need Profession Sailor checks to actually follow the course.I also believe that the WOTC book that deals with naval stuff, Stormwrack, uses the same rules.  Someone with that book can look that up.So, in 3ed D&D, you would actually be wrong here.  Even looking at the d20 SRD, you find the following:By the book, I need to be making Survival checks as soon as I'm out of sight of land.  And, again, our poor fighter doesn't get Survival as a class skill.Profession Sailor does not allow you to read a map according to the rules.  Now, since we're bringing in DMing style, I changed the rules and allowed Profession Sailor to do much more than simply let me make xdx sp/time period, which is what the rules say.But, thanks for the cheap shot.  If you want to discuss BryonD&D, I'm more than willing to start a new thread, but, I thought we were actually discussing the rules and not what you think they are.My bad.  I meant to say Blackbeard.Funny thing is, you can make a cleric or wizard Blackbeard very, very easily, without all the round the corner backflips it takes to make a fighter Blackbeard.</blockquote>