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How is the Wizard vs Warrior Balance Problem Handled in Fantasy Literature?
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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5532881" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Asked and answered about 100 pages back.</p><p> </p><p>Normally wizards take time to cast spells. Warriors win once they get to sword range. The rest of the time you're playing Ars Magica with Wizars winning - these cases almost always have wizard protagonists.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>You did that through brute force. At level 9 he should be about the threat <em>on his own</em> that a Young Adult Dragon is. (Young Adult White 8, Young Adult Black 9). Give me 20 levels of fighter and I'll represent the skills of almost anyone in the real world - but that doesn't mean this is an accurate way to do it.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>You mean other than the Profession(Sailor) one? <em>At least</em> 7-10 <em>ranks</em>. vs at total <em>score</em> of +5. And for the rest he's at the bottom of the range every time. Or the Knowledge(geography) one? 4-7 ranks vs a total <em>score</em> of +2.</p><p> </p><p>He's a good captain as long as he doesn't have to do anything with a ship.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Or they actually follow the guidance in Stormwrack rather than think that the most important part of being a pirate captain is the ability to beat people over the head.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>He'd be a superb captain's mate. Maybe not a captain - doesn't have the breadth. But when it comes to handling the boat he'd be incredible.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Nice fisherman and weather reader you've got there.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>No. It doesn't. The bar isn't that high. But you didn't meet the Stormwrack ones.</p><p> </p><p>For the record I'd run Teach as Rogue 2/Barbarian 4 or Rogue 3/Barbarian 3. Big and burly there and takes a lot of killing - and more than enough skill points (and the Leadership feat). And I'd say that I had more than enough levels there.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>That would be most NPCs who don't do that job.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Oh no he isn't!</p><p> </p><p>This is feeling like a pantomime. You are claiming that he is a fighter and inferring that he needs an absurd real world level (9) and low-ish skills from that. The rest of us are starting with the view that he is a pirate captain and doesn't have an absurd real world level and pointing out that fighter is not fit for purpose.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>An average first level commoner who is a professional sailor probably has a Profession (sailing) score of +4 - and 8 more skill points to scatter around on things like Swim, Balance, Knowledge (geography), and the works. Based on that your Teach is <em>not</em> exceptionally accomplished. He's only slightly more accomplished at anything other than diplomacy than a smart swab who grew up round boats.</p><p> </p><p>Edit: From RC's post above</p><p></p><p> </p><p>He can be a multiclass fighter. But Fighters do not have the profession skill on their class list. Which means they need to buy ranks in Profession at half speed. To reach the 7 required ranks they need to be level (2*7)-3=11. A fighter can not qualify as a Stormwrack captain before level <em>11</em>. So for all the fluff allows it, the rules do not. This is because the skills cripple the fighter's attempts to be what a fighter should be.</p><p> </p><p>Now if you were to tell me a 4e fighter or a 1e fighter was a captain I wouldn't be at all surprised. It's just that the 3e fighter class is buggy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5532881, member: 87792"] Asked and answered about 100 pages back. Normally wizards take time to cast spells. Warriors win once they get to sword range. The rest of the time you're playing Ars Magica with Wizars winning - these cases almost always have wizard protagonists. You did that through brute force. At level 9 he should be about the threat [I]on his own[/I] that a Young Adult Dragon is. (Young Adult White 8, Young Adult Black 9). Give me 20 levels of fighter and I'll represent the skills of almost anyone in the real world - but that doesn't mean this is an accurate way to do it. You mean other than the Profession(Sailor) one? [I]At least[/I] 7-10 [I]ranks[/I]. vs at total [I]score[/I] of +5. And for the rest he's at the bottom of the range every time. Or the Knowledge(geography) one? 4-7 ranks vs a total [I]score[/I] of +2. He's a good captain as long as he doesn't have to do anything with a ship. Or they actually follow the guidance in Stormwrack rather than think that the most important part of being a pirate captain is the ability to beat people over the head. He'd be a superb captain's mate. Maybe not a captain - doesn't have the breadth. But when it comes to handling the boat he'd be incredible. Nice fisherman and weather reader you've got there. No. It doesn't. The bar isn't that high. But you didn't meet the Stormwrack ones. For the record I'd run Teach as Rogue 2/Barbarian 4 or Rogue 3/Barbarian 3. Big and burly there and takes a lot of killing - and more than enough skill points (and the Leadership feat). And I'd say that I had more than enough levels there. That would be most NPCs who don't do that job. Oh no he isn't! This is feeling like a pantomime. You are claiming that he is a fighter and inferring that he needs an absurd real world level (9) and low-ish skills from that. The rest of us are starting with the view that he is a pirate captain and doesn't have an absurd real world level and pointing out that fighter is not fit for purpose. An average first level commoner who is a professional sailor probably has a Profession (sailing) score of +4 - and 8 more skill points to scatter around on things like Swim, Balance, Knowledge (geography), and the works. Based on that your Teach is [I]not[/I] exceptionally accomplished. He's only slightly more accomplished at anything other than diplomacy than a smart swab who grew up round boats. Edit: From RC's post above He can be a multiclass fighter. But Fighters do not have the profession skill on their class list. Which means they need to buy ranks in Profession at half speed. To reach the 7 required ranks they need to be level (2*7)-3=11. A fighter can not qualify as a Stormwrack captain before level [I]11[/I]. So for all the fluff allows it, the rules do not. This is because the skills cripple the fighter's attempts to be what a fighter should be. Now if you were to tell me a 4e fighter or a 1e fighter was a captain I wouldn't be at all surprised. It's just that the 3e fighter class is buggy. [/QUOTE]
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