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How is the Wizard vs Warrior Balance Problem Handled in Fantasy Literature?
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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5534505" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>He has Skill Focus because that is apparently what you think Blackbeard wants. It's not what I'd have picked. But the Level 9 Barbarian has five fewer feats than the fighter. I have named those feats. Blackbeard the Barbarian has <em>every other feat you gave Blackbeard the Fighter</em>. So yes, he has skill focus (Intimidate).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But they are all either equal or better. It's a slight edge, but it's an edge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You don't see that when person A has a list of things and person B has <em>precisely that list</em> plus a few more, person B is strictly better.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>It could indeed go either way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed. Such a pity you had to give 60% of them up for your version of Blackbeard. Feats make specialisation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're saying he didn't fight. So how do you know how he fought? And that's not ice water in the veins. That's just watching with popcorn. Ice water is required to keep your head when everything is going wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One glitterdust and the allies had better win the fight. Both fighter and barbarian are out for the duration of almost all fights.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>In which case hit points and killing people fast are going to matter more than AC. The barbarian wins at both.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Skill Focus (Intimidate). I'm matching your Blackbeard here and having a bit to spare.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yours did so mine did.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Or climb or jump or swim or listen or...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who said you couldn't use obstacles? Absolutely nothing in the rules. You've obviously never seen someone go white with rage.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The fighter is more effective at the narrowly defined skill of fighting. He is good at using weapons. He is, as I said, the highly dedicated specialist who eats with his sword, sleeps with his sword, and does everything else with it too. Or his spiked chain.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And that is needed for almost all the roles you think the fighter should cover. When you spent three feats on skills it should have been a big clue that you wanted a hybrid skill monkey rather than a straight fighter. You are quite literally giving up 60% of your fighter class features (i.e. three out of five feats*) in an attempt to make him a hybrid skill monkey so he can be Blackbeard. This should tell you that going for the hybrid skill monkey class would be the better play. Which is why my Blackbeard can be better than yours at just about everything - melee, ranged combat, skills, hit points. And I'm not even trying. You're using the wrong class.</p><p></p><p>* Skill Focus (Intimidate) is specialising rather than shoring up weaknesses so it doesn't count as being given up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5534505, member: 87792"] He has Skill Focus because that is apparently what you think Blackbeard wants. It's not what I'd have picked. But the Level 9 Barbarian has five fewer feats than the fighter. I have named those feats. Blackbeard the Barbarian has [I]every other feat you gave Blackbeard the Fighter[/I]. So yes, he has skill focus (Intimidate). But they are all either equal or better. It's a slight edge, but it's an edge. You don't see that when person A has a list of things and person B has [I]precisely that list[/I] plus a few more, person B is strictly better. It could indeed go either way. Indeed. Such a pity you had to give 60% of them up for your version of Blackbeard. Feats make specialisation. You're saying he didn't fight. So how do you know how he fought? And that's not ice water in the veins. That's just watching with popcorn. Ice water is required to keep your head when everything is going wrong. One glitterdust and the allies had better win the fight. Both fighter and barbarian are out for the duration of almost all fights. In which case hit points and killing people fast are going to matter more than AC. The barbarian wins at both. Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Skill Focus (Intimidate). I'm matching your Blackbeard here and having a bit to spare. Yours did so mine did. Or climb or jump or swim or listen or... Who said you couldn't use obstacles? Absolutely nothing in the rules. You've obviously never seen someone go white with rage. The fighter is more effective at the narrowly defined skill of fighting. He is good at using weapons. He is, as I said, the highly dedicated specialist who eats with his sword, sleeps with his sword, and does everything else with it too. Or his spiked chain. And that is needed for almost all the roles you think the fighter should cover. When you spent three feats on skills it should have been a big clue that you wanted a hybrid skill monkey rather than a straight fighter. You are quite literally giving up 60% of your fighter class features (i.e. three out of five feats*) in an attempt to make him a hybrid skill monkey so he can be Blackbeard. This should tell you that going for the hybrid skill monkey class would be the better play. Which is why my Blackbeard can be better than yours at just about everything - melee, ranged combat, skills, hit points. And I'm not even trying. You're using the wrong class. * Skill Focus (Intimidate) is specialising rather than shoring up weaknesses so it doesn't count as being given up. [/QUOTE]
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