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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NoWayJose" data-source="post: 5536083" data-attributes="member: 84810">I'm not sure... That was a 20th level adventure, and yes, I abused the hell out of shape change, etc. (not because I wanted to "win" or cheat, but because it was fun to be an uber-mage). Everyone else still had fun and felt they made their own significant contribution. If we had continued an entire 20th+ level campaign, then maybe the players would have begun to gripe about the unfairness of wizard dominance, but I don't know, because it wasn't a warrior-wizard imbalance that stopped our game, it was the rules complexity and long, long sessions. So if people are complaining about 3E wizard dominance at 20th level, well, I think that's a valid complaint IMO but, whether others agree or not (much like the pirate captain), I don't know how important that is considered that 20th level play is/was occuring in a small minority of campaigns. Plus, other bottlenecks like rules complexity at 20th level might be the real bottleneck for enjoyment. If, however, one perceives wizard dominance at 10th or whater level, then that's a different story, although I don't find it fun to debate at exactly which level the wizard dominance starts to become a problem for some people.</blockquote>