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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5542289" data-attributes="member: 19675">What they gain is not taking ability damage due to fatigue or passing out (see below).You're right and wrong.&nbsp; Technically, the DMG does not have hard and fast rules in simply staying awake.However, it does say that exertion beyond 8 hours of walking can lead to fatigue.&nbsp; A couple of combats plus some travel?&nbsp; DM's discretion.&nbsp; (Ditto in other situations.)&nbsp; In addition, if you look at creature types &amp; subtypes in the MM, they tell you which ones &quot;need sleep&quot; and which don't (most PC races do).And on the very page where the DMG says it has no rules for trying to stay awake, they provide a guideline in the form of describing it as an ability check:&nbsp;IOW, simply going without sleep is not without consequences.&nbsp; Personally, had I written that section, I would have wedded this to the fatigue rules already in place elsewairs- failing that check means you pass out (you have failed to stay awake), and that sounds a lot like being fatigued or exhausted- but they didn't.So I wouldn't be surprised if a DM said you were fatigued if you skipped needed sleep, because it's left to DM's discretion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5542289, member: 19675"] What they gain is not taking ability damage due to fatigue or passing out (see below). You're right and wrong. Technically, the DMG does not have hard and fast rules in simply staying awake. However, it does say that exertion beyond 8 hours of walking can lead to fatigue. A couple of combats plus some travel? DM's discretion. (Ditto in other situations.) In addition, if you look at creature types & subtypes in the MM, they tell you which ones "need sleep" and which don't (most PC races do). And on the very page where the DMG says it has no rules for trying to stay awake, they provide a guideline in the form of describing it as an ability check: IOW, simply going without sleep is not without consequences. Personally, had I written that section, I would have wedded this to the fatigue rules already in place elsewairs- failing that check means you pass out (you have failed to stay awake), and that sounds a lot like being fatigued or exhausted- but they didn't. So I wouldn't be surprised if a DM said you were fatigued if you skipped needed sleep, because it's left to DM's discretion. [/QUOTE]

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