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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5074050" data-attributes="member: 82106">See, I think MANY, if not most, players overvalue raw damage output. The group I run for from which that rogue is derived has a Dwarf GWT fighter, the rogue, a starlock, a STR cleric, and the fifth position has variously been a wizard, a sorcerer, etc. They do fine with encounters. Now and then I've dropped one on them that was a bit grindy for various reasons, but it was never the fault of the PCs doing insufficient damage. They're average built characters but they play fairly aggressively and go after the monsters. The challenges they face are exciting for them and they have fun. Few combats run over 6 rounds and even fighting with a solo dragon plus its (non-minion) allies was fun and reasonably quick.I don't think the character you put forth is terribly obscure to US who probably spend a good bit of time with the rules, but its different for 95% of players, they'll be playing once a week and MAYBE they've read all the feats in a couple of the books, but probably not. So for those groups a level - 4 monster is still definitely going to take a round or two to get past depending on how many PCs whack it.</blockquote>