How many magic stones can you throw?

[Happiest_Sadist]

Take 3 golf balls(about the right size for sling bullets), and throw them with one hand. Can you get them to go the way you want them too? No, my guess is that you can't get even 1 to hit what you want to hit. Also, you can't throw them all as hard.

 

[Vanye]

Take 3 golf balls(about the right size for sling bullets), and throw them with one hand. Can you get them to go the way you want them too? No, my guess is that you can't get even 1 to hit what you want to hit. Also, you can't throw them all as hard.

Like a Shuriken?

I'd probably allow someone to throw them like a Shuriken, with only one being able to hit with the potential to do a critical, the other two just along for the ride....

 

[Caliber]

Do not forget that Shuriken are exotic weapons BECAUSE you throw 3 at a time. If that was something you could do with sling bullets (or anything else for that matter) there would be little point.

I always imagined Magic Stone as something of a force multiplier. You might put X amount of force into that sling bullet, but your magic stone spell will make it hit with 2 or 3X instead. If you don't actually chuck it at a weak spot with enough force, magic stone won't do anything for you.

 

[Negative Zero]

AARRRGGHHHH!!!!
how about this, it's MAGIC!!!
in my game you throw all three immediately following the casting

~NegZ

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Originally posted by Happiest_Sadist:

"Take 3 golf balls(about the right size for sling bullets), and throw them with one hand. Can you get them to go the way you want them too? No, my guess is that you can't get even 1 to hit what you want to hit. Also, you can't throw them all as hard."

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I guarantee you, I can hit a man-sized target with three golfballs from twenty feet. Sling bullets, however, are much smaller than a golf ball - about the size of a twenty-sider, maybe slightly larger.

 

[Darklone]

I guarantee you, I can hit a man-sized target with three golfballs from twenty feet. Sling bullets, however, are much smaller than a golf ball - about the size of a twenty-sider, maybe slightly larger.

Do you throw all three golfballs at once or in rapid repetition? Cause I can throw three shuriken at once and they hit due to some magical property called aerodynamics, but I cannot do the same with three small pebbles or d20s.

Yes, I throw d20s at players now and then

NegZero: Gosh you are boring. We try to have a discussion here !

 

[Dr. Zoom]

I don't think the spell intended a first level cleric to be able to do 6d6+6 damage to a skeleton or zombie in one round. I allow one stone per attack. If you get two attacks per round, you can throw two stones (or sling two stones).

 

[Negative Zero]

I don't think the spell intended a first level cleric to be able to do 6d6+6 damage to a skeleton or zombie in one round. I allow one stone per attack. If you get two attacks per round, you can throw two stones (or sling two stones).

well, none of those hits are garunteed are they? you still actually have to hit with the stones.

Originally posted by Darklone
NegZero: Gosh you are boring. We try to have a discussion here !

apologies o Dark one i try not to be too repeative by saying the same thing over and over and over and ... nevermind ... how about this:

coming from a culture that seems to grow every child as an expert marksman in stone throwing (St.Lucia ... i kid you not!) i most certainly can throw three stones in six seconds at a man sized target 20 feet away and likely hit with all three of them. all at once or in rapid succession.

hell, i used to throw stones at the slim trunk of a coconut tree some 50-60 odd feet away and hit about 75% of the time ... keep in mind these were the ordinary variety, not the magical ones enchanted to hit easier or harder

~NegZ

 

[Tony Vargas]

They're thrown weapons and there's no special rule for it, so, by default, you can throw one per attack you can make in the round.

Since they're so tiny, I'd see nothing horribly wrong, conceptually, with throwing all three at once like a set of shurikens. Of course, you'd only get any damage bonuses due to STR, point blank shot, etc, /once/, as with shuriken. I'd seriously consider changing the durration to 1 round, though, if I allowed that, so you couldn't go pre-creating dozens of the things and tossing hadfuls of them. If you wanted to create them as sling-bullets, the regular durration'd be fine, though...

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Do you throw all three golfballs at once or in rapid repetition? Cause I can throw three shuriken at once and they hit due to some magical property called aerodynamics, but I cannot do the same with three small pebbles or d20s.

Yes, I throw d20s at players now and then

NegZero: Gosh you are boring. We try to have a discussion here !

Ok, for what it's worth, I performed the following experiment:

I took 3 golf balls and from twenty feet or so, threw them all at once with one arm motion at a target drawn in chalk at the back of the shop. Every time I hit with the middle golf ball striking about where I intended. There was not much difference between that and a single thrown ball. The other two seemed to strike a bit higher and lower, respectively than the center one. I didn't try it with twenty-siders cuz its not worth losing dice over!

Anyway, it seems to me that it is easily done with at most a -2 to the extra two shots. Call it a minus two to all three to keep in line with twf and rapid shot.

However, that brings us back to the question of balance. Logically, it can be done, but D&D is not a logical game. Is it too powerful for a first level spell? Well, magic missile does up to 5d4+5, this one does a max of 3d6+3 and requires three to hit rolls. Also, like shuriken, any strength bonus or extra dice should be applied only once. Seems fairly balanced except for the fact that it does this at first level, while magic missile scales with level and requires 9 levels for max damage.

Thoughts?