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Water Bob

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I originally posted this in another's thread in response to a similar idea, but after some thought, I thunk it best to not clutter up that other dude's thread and just post my own.

So, what this is, is a system--really, a set of guidelines--for picking PC age and level during the game (3.5E).

Take or leave what you will.





NPC Average Age / Average Level

First off, 90% of the people in the world are populated by characters level 1-10. Those at level 11-20 are the truly exceptional beings, including god-like beings on the high end.

Click on this link for some great reading and analysis on the Third Edition game: The Alexandrian Blog Archive D&D: Calibrating Your Expectations

Once you read that, you should have no trouble accepting that, in most towns and villages, NPCs should be 10th level or less, and probably much lower.





The Conan RPG, which is based on 3.5, has a great section that gives DMs examples of different types of characters.

First off, almost all of the faceless bad guys are 1st to 3rd level. Belit's Black Corsairs (which are Black-African-type tribal sea pirates) are generally 2nd level, when encounter. There's a note under their description that says that there are some, of course, that are lower of higher level, but very few will be higher than 3rd level.

This example is very representative of all the generic bad guys mentioned in the game. Only monsters are higher hit dice (and some can be quite high).





Next, the Conan RPG has a fantastic section showing what the different character levels mean. It says...

1st level characters are young and untried adventurers who have just completed basic training in their chosen professions. A 1st level Barbarian is a young, brave, hot-blooded, and unseasoned. A 1st level Pirate is a lowly deckswab, eager to make his fortune. A 1st level Noble ha barely come of age and is still not worthy to inherit the authority due him by his birthright.

4th level characters are more established and considered a cut above average men (this means that the "average" man is 3rd level or less--which is what we see above with the average Corsairs).

Right there, we're talking "average". Which means that about half of the NPCs the players encounter SHOULD be 4th level or less.

The section goes with the examples: A 4th level Nomad is one of the finest warriors within a warband. A 4th level Soldier has been on the front lines of a battlefield several times.

8th level characters are skilled adventurers, famed across the land. In my Cimmeria sourcebook, the chiefs of the clans reach as high as 8th level, and are usually between 6-8th level. An 8th level Scholar, says the main rulebook, has mastered different forms of magic and can invoke potent sorcereries like demon summoning. An 8th level Thief can kill even the strongest man with a single well-placed blow and has the skills to sneak through an whole temple full of worshippers without being seen.

12th level characters, and characters higher than that, should be exceedingly rare. This is the level of legendary figures whose deeds will be remembered for generations to come. So, your famous kings would fall into this category. Great Sorcerers are also in this category. Characters akin to King Arthur, Lancelot, Conan, in his later years, and the powerful sorcerers Thoth-Amon and Thulsa Doom, Achilles and Hector, Aragorn and Legolas, Raistlin and Caramon, would all fall into this category. The closer a character is to level 20, the closer that character is akin to being like Hercules or Perseus--near god-like beings.


Given this breakdown, it's easy to predict what level of character will populate most towns and villages. Eventhough the stuff above was written for the Conan RPG (which has a level ceiling of level 20), the information can be applied to a D&D game with little or not adjustment.





Taking all of that into account, here is the NPC average Age List I developed for my campaign. Note that "average" NPCs don't find themselves at the highest levels--thus the chart does not go to Level 20.

Level 1 - Average Age = 15. Average number of years at this level = 3.
Level 2 - Average Age = 18. Average number of years at this level = 5.

Level 3 - Average Age = 23. Average number of years at this level = 8.
Level 4 - Average Age = 31. Average number of years at this level = 11.

Level 5 - Average Age = 42. Average number of years at this level = 14.
Level 6 - Average Age = 56. Average number of years at this level = 17.

Level 7 - Average Age = 73. Average number of years at this level = 19.
Level 8 - Average Age = 92. Average number of years at this level = 22.





A FEW NOTES:

Does this mean that every 31 year old the PCs meet is 4th level? No. What is indicated above is the average. There are 4th level characters that are in their 20's, or even younger, and there are 31 year olds who are a different level. The chart above is meant as a starting place. suggest moving up or down one or two categories for vareity. There is no rule of thumb for the truly gifted, though. Thus, if your story calls for an 18th level Sorcerer that is 19 years old, then serve your story and not these guidelines.



Does this mean that NPCs can't be higher than 8th level? Of course not. It only means that MOST of the NPCs are 8th level or less. On average, NPCs are 8th level or less.

NPCs typically don't live to be 92 years old! That's correct. But, if you do see an old geezer that's in his 90's, chances are he's 8th level, unless he's a "special" NPC that is not average. In other words, your average 92 year old NPC is 8th level.

NPCs don't live much longer than 60, on average! OK. I see that, too. That means that, on average, most NPCs reach 5th-6th-7th level before they die.

If my PCs befriend a NPC, leave that village, then return 5 years later, how much should I increase the level of the NPC that they befriended? Each category above also lists the average number of years the NPC will spend at that level. So, if the PC's friend was 1st level, then, chances are, he is 2nd level when the PCs return. If the NPC was 5th level, then the NPC is probably still going to be 5th level 5 years later. These years are considered "non-adventuring" years. If the NPC is an adventurer, or if the NPC lives in an area where he's likely to gain experience fast, then the GM should take this into account when considering the new level of the NPC.

What if you have an NPC that you've roleplayed but not set stats to? If you've got a Captain of the Guard, let's say, and you think he's been in service of the king for 30 years, then the guy is about 45 years old (starting at age 15). And 45 years of experience, looking at the chart above, equates to about level 5 or level 6. Or, you can look at the number of years the NPC has been at the profession and figure his level that way, too: 30 years equates to about level 5. Experience is usually a better measure of average level than the character's age. You might have a 45 year old barkeep (5th level Commoner or Expert, again, using the chart) who's also accumulated 6 years worth of experience as a Thief and 3 years of experience as a Fighter. This would give you, on average, a 45 year old multi-classed character: Commoner (Bar Keep) 5 / Thief 3 / Fighter 2.

Is all of this written in stone? Nope. It's just a starting point--an average. The GM should adjust to fit his story and game needs.





Hope all of that is helpful.

If it's not, then just chalk it up to similar ideas expressed differently.
 

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In D&D age does not equate to class level. This is a falicy that people need to overcome.

As a fantasy example - what age was Arthur when he united the land under his rulership? What was his class level by that time? Remember all of the battles he had to go through in order to do it.

How about Lancelot? The greatest of the knights (and yet much younger than the rest).
 

the idea that a Fighter that has fought in the military for 10 years before becoming an adventurer is a Level 1 Fighter and 15 years old who has left home with his father's greatsword and decided to become an adventurer...is still Level 1

it is odd but it works
 

[MENTION=92305]Water Bob[/MENTION]
The Alexandrian Blog Archive D&D: Calibrating Your Expectations

The link pretty accurately describes how such legendary figures as Aragorn are really closer to 5th level than they are to 10th or 20th.
We all like to look at our favourite heroes and say, "That guy is a level 20 AwesomeMan."

As for your age:level comparison, I don't really consider there to be one. Of course, adventurers who set off to become legendary (the player characters) are going to be exceptional, advancing quicker and more smoothly than their non-exceptional counterparts. I liken these to the Boy Geniuses who get their first two AA degrees at age 11 (Moshe Kai Cavalin, 14-Year-Old Boy Genius, Writes Book Revealing Life In College At Age 8 (VIDEO)). Even the horrendously stupid Barbarian with an 8 Int is naturally gifted at his craft - getting angry and beating things in the face.
 

I agree with the above answers. You can't really put a level to age, nor an age to a level.


As far as trying to figure out the level of heroes from books and movies... well it's kind of pointless and altogether wrong... for it's not possible.
such analogies do not make any sense whatsoever.

Claiming that Aragorn is 5th level, or that Gandalf is 6th.... is nonsense.

The one is literature (at best), and the other is a game.
 

Let's see. I moved out of my parents house when I was 18. So that put me at level 1. I adventured to California when I was 21. I escaped the evil doings of several different villains. I overcame a bad boss and plenty of bad coworkers. I made friends who turned out to be demons. I escaped my fair share of Succubi. I escaped the clutches of gangs of thugs. I met a maiden and we adventured across the lands and over seas together. I charmed the "dragon" protecting the maiden and married her. I multiclassed in my career and have picked up a prestige class. I was blessed with the title of Father. And hopefully soon I will purchase my own castle at age 35.

I'd say I am level 10 now. That seems about right.
 


What's his shoe size? What color hair does he have?

Equating these things to level is about as valid as equating age to level.

Your level is based on what you've seen and done, the challenges faced and defeated. A few months at war can challenge a man far more than a dozen years working in a shop.
 

RE: The comments that level and age are not related in D&D.

I call foul on that one because, simply, experience does equate to level--the more experiences you have, the more experience points you get, the higher level you attain.

Experience does equate to age--by definition, experience comes with time performing the position, which definitely has an age correlation.

Thus, level and age are related. Loosely, abeit, but related. And, the system I present above is a loose system, which you'll understand if you read the entire OP.





Secondly, my RPG, the Conan RPG, is pretty clear that certain levels mean certain things. Such is spelled out in the core rulebook. I mention this in the OP as well.





@Water Bob
The Alexandrian Blog Archive D&D: Calibrating Your Expectations

The link pretty accurately describes how such legendary figures as Aragorn are really closer to 5th level than they are to 10th or 20th.

Yes, I know. I've read it several times. I think it's great reading, but some of the advice is a bit off from what my Conan core rulebook specifically states. So, I defaulted to the rules not the article.
 

I'd say I am level 10 now. That seems about right.

Not according to my definitions above. Are you a world-known master at something. If so, then you could be level 10. If you're Bobby Fischer and play chess, then you're level 10.

If you took the Olympic gold in fencing, you might be level 10.

At age 35, you're most likely Level 4, unless there is something in your background that indicates excellerated experience, and in that case, you're level 5-6 at most*.




*Unless, of course, the GM that created you as an NPC needs you to be a different level for story reasons. He could make you level 10 ;)

*Oh...and let's say you're a computer programmer. Well, you're only level 4 if you've got about 30 years experience at your profession. So, if computers is something you loved and worked with as a kid, then went to school and got your degree in the same field...then got a job working in that field and have, pretty much, been soaked in computer programing since you were 15 years old....IN THAT CASE, you are level 4.

If you learned a new career when you graduated from college, then you're likely a lower level--mostly likely level 2 or 3, provided you've never changed type of job.
 
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