How to hide from True Seeing?

[nameless]

Another very simple way to defeat true seeing is to stand more than 120 feet away.

See invisibility works to whatever distance you can see normally, but true seeing only extends 120 feet.

 

[Thanee]

It is times like this that I feel sorry for WotC's customer service guys.

Hehe, yep. They in turn punish us with everchanging answers for those questions.

I just don't see True Seeing as information gathering. It doesn't let you know anything about the target, it just counters magical hiding and disguise, basically.

As information gathering, I consider spells like Know Protections, Detect Evil, Detect Thoughts, or similar spells, which actually let you obtain some information about the target. After those spells, you know something about the target. Actual information.

Of course in a very wide way everything is information. True Seeing will let you see something as it really is, which is some sort of information, too. I just don't see it as the direct effect of the spell, but rather a result of the effect of the spell, which is to confer the ability to see all things as they actually are.

Well, they should have used a tag for this (information gathering), actually for every such term.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Squire James]

The best way to defeat True Seeing is by using non-magical means like Hide and Bluff skills. Those still work fine.

The house rule I use is that the concealing effect needs to be higher spell level than the revealing effect for it to work. A Non-detection would defeat See Invisibility, but not True Seeing. A Non-detection heightened to 6th level defeats True Seeing (unless the True Seeing was heightened too!).

 

[Lord Pendragon]

The house rule I use is that the concealing effect needs to be higher spell level than the revealing effect for it to work. A Non-detection would defeat See Invisibility, but not True Seeing. A Non-detection heightened to 6th level defeats True Seeing (unless the True Seeing was heightened too!).

This is a neat mechanic. I like the fact that it adds another useful aspect to Heighten Spell. I'm not sure it would work with all effects, though. Could you Heighten a Continual Flame spell to 4th-level and create a torch that defeats Deeper Darkness, for example?

 

[Treebore]

Doesn't the DMG description (3.5) actually say it (edit: Dust of Dissappearance) counters True Seeing. for the record my "interpretation" of True seeing is the same as Thanee's (sp?).

I think if they meant for Mind Blank to counter True seeing they would say it counters all divination type magics. Not mind effecting or info gathering. True seeing is not an info gathering spell. Detect thoughts is. Scrying is. True Seeing just reveals what is there, on multiple planes. It doesn't gather info.

So now you know on which side of this "ad nauseum" debate I would argue on.

 

[Caliban]

Could you Heighten a Continual Flame spell to 4th-level and create a torch that defeats Deeper Darkness, for example?

Yes. That's not even a house rule, it's a core rule. It's mentioned in the spell description of most of the spell with [Light] or [Dark] descriptors: "Light spells counter darkness spells of an equal or lower level. "

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Yes. That's not even a house rule, it's a core rule. It's mentioned in the spell description of most of the spell with [Light] or [Dark] descriptors: "Light spells counter darkness spells of an equal or lower level. "

Interesting. Could you then purchase such a torch? It seems cheap, to be able to negate all darkness spells with a single-casting of a Heightened spell...forever.

 

[Caliban]

Interesting. Could you then purchase such a torch?

Ask your DM.

It seems cheap, to be able to negate all darkness spells with a single-casting of a Heightened spell...forever.

Until the first dispel magic negates it.

 

[Sammael]

The best way to defeat True Seeing is by using non-magical means like Hide and Bluff skills. Those still work fine.

The house rule I use is that the concealing effect needs to be higher spell level than the revealing effect for it to work. A Non-detection would defeat See Invisibility, but not True Seeing. A Non-detection heightened to 6th level defeats True Seeing (unless the True Seeing was heightened too!).

Consider this rule snatched.

 

[Thanee]

One other idea, why True Seeing is not information gathering...

If you cast the spell and then close your eyes, you obtain no information. So the spell itself does not give you any information.

Bye
Thanee