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How to manage all the conditions and effects?

plancktum

First Post
Hi,

I've played D&D4e a while ago. I liked the system but the combats were a little bit too lenghty.
Recently I've read the 13th Age Rulebook and it looks that this system fits my playstyle much better.

But there is one thing: All the conditions and effects which were also present in D&D4e.
How do you manage them? For 4e I've used the 4eturntracker tool but for 13th age there is no such tool (or am I wrong?).

I'm not talking about the players. For them it's quite easy to keep track of their conditions. But how do you manage the conditions for monsters?
At the end the most important thing is fast and smooth combat.

I'm happy about every idea :)

best regards
 

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Balesir

Adventurer
I have two techniques (used with 4E and 13A); they amount to essentially the same thing - "the same way I track hit points".

The first is to have an "encounter form". Top section has a list of monster types with any notes about what the players should be told about them (e.g. "disguised as peasants") and their initiative rolls, a list of PCs with space for their initiative rolls and a space for notes (lighting, special terrain features, etc.). The botton section is a list with one monster (or set of mooks) per row and columns for monster name/id, for miniature used (if any), for limited powers used (check boxes), for conditions imposed (with a code for how it ends) and a long track for hit points (with the starting total and the staggered value in parentheses at the left had end). Any loot can be noted at the bottom of the form.

The second is to have a card for each monster (or, again, each "set" of mooks). This can give the full statblock, be used (with PC cards for the PCs) to form a stack in initiative order in the GM's hand (so you just shuffle each to the bottom as they take a turn), and have space for conditions, minis used, hit points lost and so on. Marking off used powers etc. on the statblock is easy, but it's a pain finding a creature whose turn it is not to apply damage and conditions (without losing its place in the initiative order).

In the end, the best is a blend of both. Track conditions, mini (if any) and hit points on the form, track initiative and power use using the card.

Or write your own nifty App (and let us have it, too!) ;)
 

Starfox

Adventurer
I use colored rings we put over the miniatures. Yellow generally means action afflictions (like stun/confuse), black physical conditions (blind/paralyzed), red indicates damage (blooded), and so on. But I don't play 13th age; not sure if my assortment of 6 colors of rings would suffice.
 

delericho

Legend
Our 4e DM had a set of tokens (which I think he got from Gale Force 9) each naming a condition and giving the details of its effect. There were tokens for each condition, and he had multiple sets. So, when you got a condition you also got the related token, and so have the rules right there in front of you. When the condition was removed, he took back the token.

It all worked reasonably well... although 4e had too many conditions, they came up too often, and they changed too often. IMO, of course.
 

Evilhalfling

Adventurer
We use tiny hair rubber bands (our group has a lot of daughters)
red = staggered, yellow = dazed, purple = other.

Really that covers the vast majority of conditions, that see regular use. in 4e the PCs seemed to cause the vast number of effects, and my party just doesn't create them.
 

Are we talking players or DMs here? Players can manage conditions on them, just use paper. (Unlike every other player in my group, I use a paper character sheet, and can just scribbled immobilize (save ends) or the like on my sheet.)

As a DM, I keep monster stats on my laptop but still use paper to track hit point loss and conditions. It works pretty well.
 

Dungeoneer

First Post
Hi,

I've played D&D4e a while ago. I liked the system but the combats were a little bit too lenghty.
Recently I've read the 13th Age Rulebook and it looks that this system fits my playstyle much better.

But there is one thing: All the conditions and effects which were also present in D&D4e.
How do you manage them? For 4e I've used the 4eturntracker tool but for 13th age there is no such tool (or am I wrong?).

I'm not talking about the players. For them it's quite easy to keep track of their conditions. But how do you manage the conditions for monsters?
At the end the most important thing is fast and smooth combat.

I'm happy about every idea :)

best regards

You can of course use the same condition markers you used with 4e, but in my opinion you will need them less often. There are fewer situations in 13A where status effects and conditions get applied. Monsters are simpler. PC powers are more straightforward. You can also make do with fewer monsters in combat.

I recently ran a couple sessions for a group of 1st level PCs and aside from 'staggered', condition markers didn't come up even once. I would expect that to increase at higher levels, but so far I just don't see monsters and PCs handing out conditions willy-nilly a la 4e.
 


jamesmanhattan

First Post
Photo-paper is your friend.
Have you ever printed from a photo-printer onto photo-paper?

Photo-paper is thick and coated in a plastic type substance. So it is pliable like paper, but holds up more like plastic.

You can print out labels of the conditions on photo paper, with colored backgrounds, then make a circle out of the label, glue it. Bam, you have perfect colored, and labeled rings you can hang on minis.
 

biotech66

Explorer
For my monsters, I use a combat pad and no minis. 13th Age works best as theater of the mind, IMHO.For the players, I have condition cards from 4e that work quite well. When a player gets a condition, i had them a table tent that has the condition on it and what the condition does. Also let's the other players know they should help that person.
 

Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Many conditions does not equal lots of conditions in play at the same time.

But there is one thing: All the conditions and effects which were also present in D&D4e.
How do you manage them? For 4e I've used the 4eturntracker tool but for 13th age there is no such tool (or am I wrong?).

I think you may be confusing the number of conditions for how often they get put on. 4e it seemed like half the powers put on some sort of condition. Controllers were especially common to put conditions on with an area of effect. Prone, granting combat advantage to the rogue, -2 to hit, dazed, ongoing 5 acid, slow, immobilized, restrained, etc. We used colored Alea Tools magnets stacked under the bases of the minis, and in paragon tier foes could easily double in height.

13th Age doesn't apply them nearly as often. It's very rare to have a lot of conditions, either PC or foe, so far in the campaign I run.

So it's not really an issue.
 

Jhaelen

First Post
I have to admit, I also had the impression that 13th Age has too many conditions. Are they really needed, I wonder? I wouldn't mind merging a few similar ones.
I've printed a bunch of condition cards for the players and plan to basically let them manage the conditions they apply to monsters, i.e. it's their duty to remind me of them. We'll see how that works.
 

mkill

Adventurer
I have to admit, I also had the impression that 13th Age has too many conditions. Are they really needed, I wonder? I wouldn't mind merging a few similar ones.
I've printed a bunch of condition cards for the players and plan to basically let them manage the conditions they apply to monsters, i.e. it's their duty to remind me of them. We'll see how that works.
If you are used to 4E the 13th Age conditions are a bit confusing since stuff with the same name has different effects. It's not a big deal though if you have the reference handy for the first few sessions. Vulnerable, dazed and ongoing damage are the common ones, the rest are used quite sparingly.
 

Lichemaster

Explorer
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Hope this works, in the image I just use folded colour index cards on the DM screen with the characters names. I then took other coloured index cards and cut the card into 3 strips. I wrote the condition/combat choice on it and when the next person in initiative went we knew right away by looking at the initiative tracker that everyone can see.

It's for 5e but you get the point.
 

Starfox

Adventurer
I use sealing rings for plastic bags. I have a bowl with rings in 6 colors. Some have static meaning (transparent for invisibility, red for bloodies), others come and go as the occasion requires. We hang them off the minis.

Whatever works for each of us is good!

Edit: A bit of thread necromancy here, I see I already said this in the same thread earlier. :eek:
 
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