How to respectfuly disagree with EGG?

[aurance]

Edit. Just to be clear: I have personally nothing against respectful disagreements and healthy debate. If you can't formulate any opinion about EGG's or Dave's works without questioning their overall skills as game designers, intelligence and/or integrities as human beings, then you've gone too far and should have kept your mouth shut in the first place, IMO. It's all about the way the criticism is formulated. Not the criticism itself.

I agree with you. Heck, the OP was exactly about "the way the criticism is formulated." But this is not what you said in your previous post. You just started assuming all kinds of other things. Who's questioning skill/intelligence/integrity?

 

[Elbeghast]

I agree with you. Heck, the OP was exactly about "the way the criticism is formulated." But this is not what you said in your previous post. You just started assuming all kinds of other things. Who's questioning skill/intelligence/integrity?

Wow. Why the stab at me here?
You know, I could be insulting too. How about we respect each other and try to understand what each other has to say, instead?

What I said was that it's bad form to take a dump on someone's accomplishments after they passed on. By "taking a dump", I was talking about the form of the criticism as opposed ot the criticism itself: "on public forums, loaded with people you don't know, some of which may know EGG for real? You are either careful, responsible and respectful in what you say and how you put it, or you don't say anything at all."

 

[The Little Raven]

If you can't formulate any opinion about EGG's or Dave's works without questioning their overall skills as game designers, intelligence and/or integrities as human beings, then you've gone too far and should have kept your mouth shut in the first place, IMO. It's all about the way the criticism is formulated. Not the criticism itself.

This type of basic respect and decency should be applied to EVERYONE, not just people who have died and designed games previously. Attacking the intelligence or integrity of any game designer, living or dead, modern or "old school," is crossing the line from respectable and respectful criticism to trash talking. I don't think Gygax or Arneson should be given special treatment over still-living game designers like Rich Baker or Erik Mona.

 

[Elbeghast]

This type of basic respect and decency should be applied to EVERYONE

I sure could live with that.

 

[The Little Raven]

I sure could live with that.

Well, even if you don't, you can be sure we won't trash-talk you for at least a couple months after your death.

 

[Elbeghast]

Well, even if you don't, you can be sure we won't trash-talk you for at least a couple months after your death.

Thank you. This is a comfort.

 

[Bullgrit]

From what I understand, EGG was of the opinion that 3Ed wasn't D&D in that same sense.

From what I read, that didn't seem to be his original opinion. In fact, he had some praise for D&D3, at first. His opinion changed.

Interestingly, though many of the "old guard" D&Ders accept AD&D2 as part of the "real D&D," EGG panned it.

I have suspicions on why his opinions changed.

Bullgrit

 

[Saeviomagy]

EGG was a person, not an ideal.

Given that, it's entirely possible to be agreeing with him (at one stage through his life) almost no matter what you say. His opinions ebbed flowed and did loop-de-loops like anybody elses.

 

[aurance]

Wow. Why the stab at me here?

I wasn't taking a stab at you. There's no subtext behind my question. That is, who on this thread is questioning questioning EGG's skill/intelligence/integrity? I didn't see any of that.

What I said was that it's bad form to take a dump on someone's accomplishments after they passed on. By "taking a dump", I was talking about the form of the criticism as opposed ot the criticism itself: "on public forums, loaded with people you don't know, some of which may know EGG for real? You are either careful, responsible and respectful in what you say and how you put it, or you don't say anything at all."

I agree with this, in much the same way that The Little Raven does. Except, before this, you stated:

Here's an option: you might just not open your mouth and let people who enjoy Gygaxian D&D play and rave about their game(s) and Gary's work. It doesn't threaten your own gaming in any way, does it?

Seriously.

That doesn't sound like "you can disagree respectfully" to me. That sounds like "take your criticism and go somewhere else."

 

[Elbeghast]

That doesn't sound like "you can disagree respectfully" to me. That sounds like "take your criticism and go somewhere else."

Then I'm sorry you misunderstood what I was trying to say originally.