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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Legildur" data-source="post: 3344704" data-attributes="member: 1258">Just because the Epic tables start around 30 does not make it an Epic check!  Are you saying a simple tumble through an occupied square (DC25) across a natural cavern floor (+5) past a second opponent (+2) for a total DC 32 can only be carried out by Epic characters????  I hope not, as otherwise adventurers would never leave home if challenges weren't , well, challenges!Elf monk (or rogue) starting with 18 Dex, +2 racial bonus to dex, and placing 4th and 8th level increases in Dex, and a pair of gloves of dexterity +2 gives Dex 24 (+7).  Max ranks at level 10 is 13, and +2 synergy bonus from 5+ ranks in jump skill.  Suddenly you have +22 Tumble modifier without even really trying (no feats or PrC etc)!Also, Tumble, while only hald speed, still allows an attack at some point, whereas Overrun is the attack!</blockquote>