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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 6679020"><p>Then perhaps the silver dragon does a little evil to do a greater good (destroying the party upstart) and is granted some kind of boons from these folks in order to destroy a common foe. The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of thing. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For two reasons:</p><p>1: a full on lich is a CR 21. He's designed for a party of 4-5 players of roughly 20th level. Your party is level 6.</p><p>2: large power discrepancies can lead to problems. I've been on both ends of this. Dominating the party is fun for one person until the party gets sick of it to the point of not playing. Then you have no game, that's not fun.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now if your party is having fun with it, that's fine, and you've already mentioned he's only got the lich physical attributes and not the caster abilities, which makes a big difference. </p><p></p><p></p><p>It's worth noting that a young silver dragon isn't really much of a challenge. It's CR 9, but honestly a part of 4-5 level 6's can handle it if they play smart and are well-built for their class. It's worth noting in general that dragons are VERY weak in 5th edition compared to their counterparts in almost every other edition.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If that's your goal, that's fine but I think that ruling is counter-intuitive to logic. There's no reason a monster shouldn't gain experience, there really isn't other than a DM not wanting players to play monsters. If that's your imperative, that's fine, but don't argue the rationale of it because there isn't any. Non-sentient creatures may not gain <em>classes</em> but that doesn't mean that they won't grow in strength and power as they defeat foes and generally survive. There's no rational reason why sentient creatures can't gain classes, provided they find someone to train them. It may take them more time (50% XP) due to attempting to convert the way a human casts a spell or channels ki into the way a dragon does, but theres no reason they couldn't learn how to do it and no reason why the basic concepts of XP (gaining knowledge and power over time) wouldn't apply to any sentient creature with the desire and drive to do so.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just saying don't attempt to rationalize it. There's nothing wrong with the DM simply saying "No because I say so." if the DM wants a certain outcome. It may not be the most popular move, but a DM's first and foremost duty is to run a good game, not be popular.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 6679020"] Then perhaps the silver dragon does a little evil to do a greater good (destroying the party upstart) and is granted some kind of boons from these folks in order to destroy a common foe. The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of thing. For two reasons: 1: a full on lich is a CR 21. He's designed for a party of 4-5 players of roughly 20th level. Your party is level 6. 2: large power discrepancies can lead to problems. I've been on both ends of this. Dominating the party is fun for one person until the party gets sick of it to the point of not playing. Then you have no game, that's not fun. Now if your party is having fun with it, that's fine, and you've already mentioned he's only got the lich physical attributes and not the caster abilities, which makes a big difference. It's worth noting that a young silver dragon isn't really much of a challenge. It's CR 9, but honestly a part of 4-5 level 6's can handle it if they play smart and are well-built for their class. It's worth noting in general that dragons are VERY weak in 5th edition compared to their counterparts in almost every other edition. If that's your goal, that's fine but I think that ruling is counter-intuitive to logic. There's no reason a monster shouldn't gain experience, there really isn't other than a DM not wanting players to play monsters. If that's your imperative, that's fine, but don't argue the rationale of it because there isn't any. Non-sentient creatures may not gain [I]classes[/I] but that doesn't mean that they won't grow in strength and power as they defeat foes and generally survive. There's no rational reason why sentient creatures can't gain classes, provided they find someone to train them. It may take them more time (50% XP) due to attempting to convert the way a human casts a spell or channels ki into the way a dragon does, but theres no reason they couldn't learn how to do it and no reason why the basic concepts of XP (gaining knowledge and power over time) wouldn't apply to any sentient creature with the desire and drive to do so. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just saying don't attempt to rationalize it. There's nothing wrong with the DM simply saying "No because I say so." if the DM wants a certain outcome. It may not be the most popular move, but a DM's first and foremost duty is to run a good game, not be popular. [/QUOTE]
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