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Message: <blockquote data-quote="payn" data-source="post: 9076534" data-attributes="member: 90374">I dont think its about complexity like it often was in 3E/PF1, its more volume of plates to spin. With VTT you have easy stat sheets for your mobs to track and whatnot, wihtout those you could be tracking quite a bit.I think its hugely influenced by 4E and wouldn't down play it. More in common in fact than 3E/PF1. I also disagree about streamlined, PF2 is a different beast. Standardized system based on level and proficiency. It does the same things but in a different and more manageable way. Only the GM used a device when we played F2F. Its been at least 3 years since then. Not sure if I will ever go back. Not out of lack of want, but out of lack of players.</blockquote>