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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6382405" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Oh sure. Blame the player for not playing the way the scenario is designed for. Gotta love these armchair gaming decision sentiments. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/glasses.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="B-)" title="Glasses B-)" data-shortname="B-)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Like Kirk said "I don't believe in the no win scenario".</p><p></p><p>Interestingly enough, when my wizard went out to try to save the villager, I was expecting everyone to eventually either fight from inside the fog (pack tactics took care of that), or run away back into the keep. I wasn't interested in beating 30+ kobolds as much as I was interested in saving the villagers. My wife, on the other hand, told me later on that her first thought was *Why the heck are we doing this?*. She thought it was suicide and even though she is playing a good aligned PC (and always does), saving the four villagers at the probable TPK of the party was not even on her radar.</p><p></p><p>There were a lot of jokes about "Hey, nice knowing you" and "Well, I guess we should shut the gate" around the table when my PC walked out. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>And with hindsight (and now knowing that the scenario was designed to just beat up a PC instead of kill one), it's easy to sit in the armchair and make comments about how I changed it from being a single PC threat to a party PC threat. But that presupposes that the players know what they are supposed to do.</p><p></p><p>Sorry, but the first casualty of any encounter design is the designer's plan.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6382405, member: 2011"] Oh sure. Blame the player for not playing the way the scenario is designed for. Gotta love these armchair gaming decision sentiments. B-) Like Kirk said "I don't believe in the no win scenario". Interestingly enough, when my wizard went out to try to save the villager, I was expecting everyone to eventually either fight from inside the fog (pack tactics took care of that), or run away back into the keep. I wasn't interested in beating 30+ kobolds as much as I was interested in saving the villagers. My wife, on the other hand, told me later on that her first thought was *Why the heck are we doing this?*. She thought it was suicide and even though she is playing a good aligned PC (and always does), saving the four villagers at the probable TPK of the party was not even on her radar. There were a lot of jokes about "Hey, nice knowing you" and "Well, I guess we should shut the gate" around the table when my PC walked out. :lol: And with hindsight (and now knowing that the scenario was designed to just beat up a PC instead of kill one), it's easy to sit in the armchair and make comments about how I changed it from being a single PC threat to a party PC threat. But that presupposes that the players know what they are supposed to do. Sorry, but the first casualty of any encounter design is the designer's plan. [/QUOTE]
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