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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8107624" data-attributes="member: 6987520">I agree in that sense, my point is more that with everything else that variant throws in, boosting two scores +1 is too strong. Most PCs who would take this most likely already focus on STR or DEX, so the +1 to their main score is the meat and everything else is gravy, but another +1 ASI is like extra gravy IMO.Here we simply disagree on what feats should do in the game, I think. I think many feats are about right. A few are strong or &quot;good&quot;, several are a tad on the weaker side and a +1 ASI boosts them up nicely to me. But, with Athlete, there are so many other things that could be done, giving a +1 ASI to another physical stat isn't a good idea IMO. I would have rather seen the +1 to STR, DEX, or CON and throw that in as an option.Again, just different styles I suppose. We see a lot of half feats taken. Many players would rather take a bit longer to get +2 through two feats with +1 each and get all the extra goodies that come along with them. We don't often see a +2 ASI (maybe one player out of 4-5 per &quot;feat selection time&quot;).Sure, I see the biggest benefit depending on the build. If I have an female elven wizard with STR 9 and DEX 17, getting a +1 to STR and DEX is great for me! Sure, the DEX is probably more important, but removing that -1 penalty from STR saves (to avoid knock downs, etc.) and Athletics checks for climbing or swimming is really good! Tack on the idea of getting to add half proficiency to that STR save and it is over the top to me. shrugHowever, if that same PC has STR 8 and DEX 16... the boosts don't help me really and I am taking the feat for the other features (all more than good enough without the ASIs IMO) and planning on another half-feat for DEX later most likely (like Resilient, for instance).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8107624, member: 6987520"] I agree in that sense, my point is more that with everything else that variant throws in, boosting two scores +1 is too strong. Most PCs who would take this most likely already focus on STR or DEX, so the +1 to their main score is the meat and everything else is gravy, but another +1 ASI is like [I]extra[/I] gravy IMO. Here we simply disagree on what feats should do in the game, I think. I think many feats are about right. A few are strong or "good", several are a tad on the weaker side and a +1 ASI boosts them up nicely to me. But, with Athlete, there are so many other things that could be done, giving a +1 ASI to another physical stat isn't a good idea IMO. I would have rather seen the +1 to STR, DEX, or [I]CON[/I] and throw that in as an option. Again, just different styles I suppose. We see a lot of half feats taken. Many players would rather take a bit longer to get +2 through two feats with +1 each and get all the extra goodies that come along with them. We don't often see a +2 ASI (maybe one player out of 4-5 per "feat selection time"). Sure, I see the biggest benefit depending on the build. If I have an female elven wizard with STR 9 and DEX 17, getting a +1 to STR and DEX is great for me! Sure, the DEX is probably [I]more[/I] important, but removing that -1 penalty from STR saves (to avoid knock downs, etc.) and Athletics checks for climbing or swimming is really good! Tack on the idea of getting to add half proficiency to that STR save and it is over the top to me. [I]shrug[/I] However, if that same PC has STR 8 and DEX 16... the boosts don't help me really and I am taking the feat for the other features (all more than good enough [I]without[/I] the ASIs IMO) and planning on another half-feat for DEX later most likely (like Resilient, for instance). [/QUOTE]

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