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<blockquote data-quote="jontherev" data-source="post: 24507" data-attributes="member: 1451">one more time...KD,I had a reply nearly complete, just to get kicked offline.&nbsp; So, I'll just have to try to summarize.I'm having &quot;difficulty&quot;<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes&nbsp; &nbsp; :rolleyes:"&nbsp; data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> because the item my halfling possesses appears to do just what I've described.&nbsp; It was originally a pair of boots of Elvenkind that was enchanted later with the &quot;of Striding&quot; and &quot;Spider-Climb&quot; enchantments, at a healthy cost.&nbsp; So, according to the Striding description, all normal movement is doubled.&nbsp; That tells me 30' vertically or on ceilings.&nbsp; I'm sure you'll say the 15' movement trumps the doubling, but I don't believe it would.As for your assumption on the strength needed to pull a wearer of Slippers of Spider-climbing off a wall, one could just as easily assume that he could not be pulled off at all since it is not mentioned.&nbsp; Unlikely, but true.&nbsp; It's only caster level 4, which does limit it somewhat.&nbsp; Compare the 24 strength (which many monsters of large size have), to the 20th level wizard who requires a 40 strength to rip off the wall!It doesn't matter where (front, back, side) the halfling grabs onto the giant.&nbsp; It just matters whether or not he is successful.&nbsp; After grabbing onto him, he can then move up his legs, to his back.&nbsp; Even on top of his head.&nbsp; No tumbling would be allowed of course, so any movement more than 5' would provoke AoO's.&nbsp; A giant's legs are probably close to 1 to 2 feet diameter, so it shouldn't be too difficult to do with the boots.&nbsp; And this is where facing comes into play, once you are on his back.&nbsp; When the giant moves, you move with him, so he can never face you.&nbsp; Therefore, any allies in melee would get a flanking bonus.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jontherev, post: 24507, member: 1451"] [b]one more time...[/b] KD, I had a reply nearly complete, just to get kicked offline. So, I'll just have to try to summarize. I'm having "difficulty":rolleyes: because the item my halfling possesses appears to do just what I've described. It was originally a pair of boots of Elvenkind that was enchanted later with the "of Striding" and "Spider-Climb" enchantments, at a healthy cost. So, according to the Striding description, all normal movement is doubled. That tells me 30' vertically or on ceilings. I'm sure you'll say the 15' movement trumps the doubling, but I don't believe it would. As for your assumption on the strength needed to pull a wearer of Slippers of Spider-climbing off a wall, one could just as easily assume that he could not be pulled off at all since it is not mentioned. Unlikely, but true. It's only caster level 4, which does limit it somewhat. Compare the 24 strength (which many monsters of large size have), to the 20th level wizard who requires a 40 strength to rip off the wall! It doesn't matter [b]where[/b] (front, back, side) the halfling grabs onto the giant. It just matters whether or not he is successful. After grabbing onto him, he can then move up his legs, to his back. Even on top of his head. No tumbling would be allowed of course, so any movement more than 5' would provoke AoO's. A giant's legs are probably close to 1 to 2 feet diameter, so it shouldn't be too difficult to do with the boots. And [b]this[/b] is where facing comes into play, once you are on his back. When the giant moves, you move with him, so he can never face you. Therefore, any allies in melee would get a flanking bonus. [/QUOTE]

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