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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9434376" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>I'm not arguing that it is not possible to sleep in armour in a crisis. Humans can do lots of things in a crisis. If you're exhausted enough, you will sleep. You will sleep while driving a car if you're tired enough. And getting bad sleep is better than getting no sleep...well, maybe not while driving. But you're the one making the extraordinary, counter-intuitive claim, so I challenge <em>you</em> to find me even one reputable source that documents people sleeping in armour <strong>as a matter of routine</strong>, which is what we are talking about here. Or contact a sleep expert and ask them if they would advise it.</p><p></p><p>Not people who feel asleep because they were exhausted and there was no other choice. People who just casually slept in their armour all the time as if it was no different than not.</p><p></p><p>I mean, I played lacrosse. I have nodded off with my equipment on. But would I go to bed like that? Would I be able to get proper rest, night after night, if I was, say, tramping through the wild or a dungeon and surviving for days? This is a silly idea, and modern sports equipment is a lot lighter and more comfortable than medieval armours.</p><p></p><p>To be clear, what I am talking about is the party setting up camp, putting out guards and then the characters who aren't on guard going to sleep in their armour, up to and including full plate. Every night. That's their routine. As a DM, I would penalize that. I would allow them the benefits of a short rest, but not a long rest, unless they had maybe three levels of exhaustion or more. If they were continually sleeping in armour, I wouldn't let them get above two exhaustion levels. So they're surviving, but not at their best. Because, obviously.</p><p></p><p>Edit: But hey, this is a testable hypothesis. Someone who is motivated to know for sure should go on, say, a two week camping trip wearing armour the whole time, including at night while trying to sleep, and let us know how it goes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9434376, member: 7035894"] I'm not arguing that it is not possible to sleep in armour in a crisis. Humans can do lots of things in a crisis. If you're exhausted enough, you will sleep. You will sleep while driving a car if you're tired enough. And getting bad sleep is better than getting no sleep...well, maybe not while driving. But you're the one making the extraordinary, counter-intuitive claim, so I challenge [I]you[/I] to find me even one reputable source that documents people sleeping in armour [B]as a matter of routine[/B], which is what we are talking about here. Or contact a sleep expert and ask them if they would advise it. Not people who feel asleep because they were exhausted and there was no other choice. People who just casually slept in their armour all the time as if it was no different than not. I mean, I played lacrosse. I have nodded off with my equipment on. But would I go to bed like that? Would I be able to get proper rest, night after night, if I was, say, tramping through the wild or a dungeon and surviving for days? This is a silly idea, and modern sports equipment is a lot lighter and more comfortable than medieval armours. To be clear, what I am talking about is the party setting up camp, putting out guards and then the characters who aren't on guard going to sleep in their armour, up to and including full plate. Every night. That's their routine. As a DM, I would penalize that. I would allow them the benefits of a short rest, but not a long rest, unless they had maybe three levels of exhaustion or more. If they were continually sleeping in armour, I wouldn't let them get above two exhaustion levels. So they're surviving, but not at their best. Because, obviously. Edit: But hey, this is a testable hypothesis. Someone who is motivated to know for sure should go on, say, a two week camping trip wearing armour the whole time, including at night while trying to sleep, and let us know how it goes. [/QUOTE]
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