Human Paragon

[geosapient]

In the Human Paragon level progression it has on the right +1 to class (or something to that effect). Is this supposed to be for spellcasting classes, for abilities that you have already acquired or for gaining new abilities in an exsting class?

 

[saucercrab]

In the Human Paragon level progression it has on the right +1 to class (or something to that effect). Is this supposed to be for spellcasting classes, for abilities that you have already acquired or for gaining new abilities in an exsting class?

IIRC, that should be only for increasing spellcaster level (caster level, spells per day, spells known, etc.), nothing else.

(My group allows psionic classes & artificers to benefit from this as well; prob' the incarnum classes too, but never had any to take the HP.)

 

[geosapient]

IIRC, that should be only for increasing spellcaster level (caster level, spells per day, spells known, etc.), nothing else.

(My group allows psionic classes & artificers to benefit from this as well; prob' the incarnum classes too, but never had any to take the HP.)

That's what I was thinking but all the other paragons say +1 to spell casting class. Human Paragon just said to class (I think). I just wanted to get it cleared up before I got home.

 

[saucercrab]

That's what I was thinking but all the other paragons say +1 to spell casting class. Human Paragon just said to class (I think). I just wanted to get it cleared up before I got home.

Human & Half-Elf Paragons say +1 to any spellcasting class. The others that offer spellcasting advancement list a particular spellcasting class; gnome = bard, elf = wizard, drow = wizard (m)/cleric (f).

 

[irdeggman]

Let's check the text for the ability instead of the table:

Spells per Day: At 2nd and 3rd level, a human paragon gains new spells per day (and spells known, if applicable) as if he had also gained a level in a spellcasting class he belonged to before adding the level. He does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of that class would have gained (bonus metamagic or item creation feats, bard or assassin abilities, and so on). This essentially means that he adds the level of human paragon to the level in the spellcasting class, then determines spells per day, spells known, and caster level accordingly.

If a character had more than one spellcasting class before he became a human paragon, he must decide to which class he adds each level of human paragon. If a human paragon has no levels in a spellcasting class, this class feature has no effect.

Does that clear up what it means?

 

[FalcWP]

Why bother with the text, when the table actually gives the answer in this case? The heading of the column that mentions the +1 level of existing class actually says "Spells per day".

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

My group allows psionic classes & artificers to benefit from this as well; prob' the incarnum classes too, but never had any to take the HP.

There is a long established increasing trend of WotC doing that with a lot of the more generic spellcasting PrCls (at least for Psionics), although sometimes you'd have to look in a sidebar to notice it.

It would save them a LOT of paper and ink if they'd just draft a general rule like "You may substitute Psionics for Arcane Magic and Meldshaping for Divine Magic for purposes of satisfying the requirements of PrCls."

Obviously, it would need some tweeking, but as a general rule, it wouldn't hurt the game. At the very least, you wouldn't need to waste paper and ink by publishing variations on the Mystic Theurge every time you come up with a new "magic" system.

 

[Mistwell]

I have a question about the Human Paragon. If you are a Ranger 3/Human Paragon 3, what spells do you have access to if any, how many spell slots do you have if any, and what is your caster level if any.

 

[irdeggman]

I have a question about the Human Paragon. If you are a Ranger 3/Human Paragon 3, what spells do you have access to if any, how many spell slots do you have if any, and what is your caster level if any.

None.

A 3rd level ranger has no caster level.

He doesn't get one until 4th level, at which time he has a caster level equal to 1/2 his class level.

So a ranger (and a paladin) goes from 0 level spellcaster to 2nd level spellcaster. At no time do they ever have a 1st level spellcaster, even though they have 1st level spells (at 2nd level spellcaster).

 

[geosapient]

Yeah, I see. I checked when I got home. Thanks.