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<blockquote data-quote="ph0rk" data-source="post: 8287177" data-attributes="member: 16266"><p>That’s a pretty big deal, then, as it is an opportunity to fix subclasses that are seen as weak, and I could see that as reason to include many of them. Speaking purely hypothetically, then, as if I were to place bets they would change nothing with respect to archetypes:</p><p></p><p>Boosted versions of the assassin, ek, battlerager, beastmaster, champion, etc.</p><p></p><p>Fixed dual wielding for some or all rangers; along the lines of non-bonus action offhand attack either at 5 or 11.</p><p></p><p>There is also probably room for one more not-shiny paladin, if not conquest, a better version of conquest. I’d like to see the oath of Treachery, but that’s been dormant for some time. I’d strive to cover as wide a range as possible, so only one classically-shiny paladin is really necessary. One shiny, one grey, and one dirty is what I’d suggest, to really open options up as wide as possible. Devotion, Conquest (perhaps with tweaks), and Treachery.</p><p></p><p>artificer will probably make it in, which still strikes me as terribly uninspired and very same-feeling across the subclasses. That base could make the arcane half caster some people seem to want, but not in its present form.</p><p></p><p>An expanded section (as occurred in many previous editions, either in the PHB or DMG) on custom classes might make it in, too, but this would take more than just a couple pages. Detail on creating subclasses would go here, too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ph0rk, post: 8287177, member: 16266"] That’s a pretty big deal, then, as it is an opportunity to fix subclasses that are seen as weak, and I could see that as reason to include many of them. Speaking purely hypothetically, then, as if I were to place bets they would change nothing with respect to archetypes: Boosted versions of the assassin, ek, battlerager, beastmaster, champion, etc. Fixed dual wielding for some or all rangers; along the lines of non-bonus action offhand attack either at 5 or 11. There is also probably room for one more not-shiny paladin, if not conquest, a better version of conquest. I’d like to see the oath of Treachery, but that’s been dormant for some time. I’d strive to cover as wide a range as possible, so only one classically-shiny paladin is really necessary. One shiny, one grey, and one dirty is what I’d suggest, to really open options up as wide as possible. Devotion, Conquest (perhaps with tweaks), and Treachery. artificer will probably make it in, which still strikes me as terribly uninspired and very same-feeling across the subclasses. That base could make the arcane half caster some people seem to want, but not in its present form. An expanded section (as occurred in many previous editions, either in the PHB or DMG) on custom classes might make it in, too, but this would take more than just a couple pages. Detail on creating subclasses would go here, too. [/QUOTE]
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