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<blockquote data-quote="jbear" data-source="post: 6349930" data-attributes="member: 75065"><p>I know it is hard to tell on the internet sometimes but the four smiley faces before the -ing seem to suggest you are getting agitated. Maybe time to put into perspective that its just one sub class of one class option of <strong>a game</strong>. You don't like the mechanic for your own reasons, others disagree with your point of view. It's all good.</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind that even in the absence of a wild surge effect, it remains a defining part of that character, for that player and for the group. </p><p></p><p>Say we imagine a Wild Mage fumbles an athletics roll climbing a cliff and uses Tides of Chaos to roll again which succeeds:</p><p>In play fighter companion makes a comment as the sorceror almost slips and falls to his death but instead hangs on by one hand long enough to find another purchase.</p><p></p><p>Fighter: Oh no ... Wild Guy is getting lucky again. Keep your distance when he starts chucking his fireballs about.</p><p>Halfling nods and makes some other smart comment. They climb to the top and are met by a cave troll. Sorceror whips out a lightning spell and zaps the troll to take it down. Player has no idea if a surge of chaos will ensue. Character has no idea if a surge of chaos will ensue. Fellow Players also have no idea, but the danger, although low, is real. They look momentarily towards the DM who ... smiles evilly, picks up the d10 ... then the d100 and then very very slowly puts them back on the table and narrates the effect of the lighning bolt. Players breath a sigh of relief. </p><p></p><p>In game:</p><p>Lighting bolt goes off toasting the troll. Fighter and halfling leap to the ground behind a rock more worried about the sorceror exploding than the troll anymore. The sorceror takes a deep breath ... and nothing happens. Fighter and halfling peep out from behind the rock and smile. They move to search the stinky troll while the sorceror has a sit down to calm his nerves. </p><p></p><p>It's not unlike the concept of negative space in art. It is the negative space around an object that helps defines the shape of the object itself. When the DM does invoke chaos it is all the more chaotic as players never know if or when it will manifest. (and mechanically the DM gets to decide when is a good moment to see if the Sorceror burns or goes bald which alleviates any possible issues)</p><p></p><p>An idea to deal with a fireball going off at level 1: Fireball is deals 8d6 dmg at 3rd. So you could reduce it to 6d6 if set off by a second level spell, 4d6 if set off by a 1st level spell (until players can cast 3rd level spells). Still significant chance of taking out the party depending on the roll and saves but also a decent chance to survive. At higher levels the problem pretty much goes away: at lvl 14 you roll on the table twice, so the chance you would roll the same precentage must be tiny. In all likely hood you are probably going to choose the other effect you rolled if a fireball going off is going to hurt your allies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jbear, post: 6349930, member: 75065"] I know it is hard to tell on the internet sometimes but the four smiley faces before the -ing seem to suggest you are getting agitated. Maybe time to put into perspective that its just one sub class of one class option of [B]a game[/B]. You don't like the mechanic for your own reasons, others disagree with your point of view. It's all good. Keep in mind that even in the absence of a wild surge effect, it remains a defining part of that character, for that player and for the group. Say we imagine a Wild Mage fumbles an athletics roll climbing a cliff and uses Tides of Chaos to roll again which succeeds: In play fighter companion makes a comment as the sorceror almost slips and falls to his death but instead hangs on by one hand long enough to find another purchase. Fighter: Oh no ... Wild Guy is getting lucky again. Keep your distance when he starts chucking his fireballs about. Halfling nods and makes some other smart comment. They climb to the top and are met by a cave troll. Sorceror whips out a lightning spell and zaps the troll to take it down. Player has no idea if a surge of chaos will ensue. Character has no idea if a surge of chaos will ensue. Fellow Players also have no idea, but the danger, although low, is real. They look momentarily towards the DM who ... smiles evilly, picks up the d10 ... then the d100 and then very very slowly puts them back on the table and narrates the effect of the lighning bolt. Players breath a sigh of relief. In game: Lighting bolt goes off toasting the troll. Fighter and halfling leap to the ground behind a rock more worried about the sorceror exploding than the troll anymore. The sorceror takes a deep breath ... and nothing happens. Fighter and halfling peep out from behind the rock and smile. They move to search the stinky troll while the sorceror has a sit down to calm his nerves. It's not unlike the concept of negative space in art. It is the negative space around an object that helps defines the shape of the object itself. When the DM does invoke chaos it is all the more chaotic as players never know if or when it will manifest. (and mechanically the DM gets to decide when is a good moment to see if the Sorceror burns or goes bald which alleviates any possible issues) An idea to deal with a fireball going off at level 1: Fireball is deals 8d6 dmg at 3rd. So you could reduce it to 6d6 if set off by a second level spell, 4d6 if set off by a 1st level spell (until players can cast 3rd level spells). Still significant chance of taking out the party depending on the roll and saves but also a decent chance to survive. At higher levels the problem pretty much goes away: at lvl 14 you roll on the table twice, so the chance you would roll the same precentage must be tiny. In all likely hood you are probably going to choose the other effect you rolled if a fireball going off is going to hurt your allies. [/QUOTE]
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