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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 5931448" data-attributes="member: 48135">So you're saying that when facing an opponent with an AC of say 18, made up of a base amount of 10 and +8 for some heavy armour, and you roll a 17 to hit, that should be interpreted as a whiff? If your opponent did not have his heavy armour, you would have hit. His heavy armour makes him a dodging machine?You don't think a more reasonable interpretation is that you made contact, but the armour absorbed the blow? And in such cases, at least, that a bit of damage from a "miss" could still get through the armour? Having a mace smash into your breastplate is hardly a painless experience.Has "miss" ever been defined in game terms as anything other than "failing to roll high enough on an attack roll"?</blockquote>