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I have 6 questions about Paladins and 5 of them involve unusual ways in which 1 could lose his or her powers
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<blockquote data-quote="FrozenNorth" data-source="post: 8833330" data-attributes="member: 7020832"><p>Never heard of this happening, apart from truly bad DMing, but no, paladins answer to a higher power, so the fact that a jurisdiction (that may be extremely corrupt) finds them guilty of something has no bearing on their powers.</p><p></p><p>Nope, your timing is way off on this question. If committing a crime would cost a paladin their powers, the effect would occur at the moment the crime was committed, not after they were convicted of the fact.</p><p></p><p>So, during their trial, the Paladin could argue that they retain their powers as evidence they didn’t commit the crime, but if they were nonetheless convicted, well, the fact they retained their powers isn’t new information.</p><p></p><p>Moreover, from the perspective of a judge or jury, “the paladin still has their powers” just isn’t compelling evidence:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">god’s laws and man’s laws are different, so maybe the god doesn’t care about the crime;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">maybe the god cares about the crime, but doesn’t consider it a fall-worthy offense;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">maybe the god cares about crime and considers it a fall-worthy offense, but has other reasons for not removing the paladin’s powers;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">maybe the god did remove the powers but the paladin atoned in between time ;</li> </ul><p>-maybe the god did remove the powers but the demonstration of “paladin powers” is a sham;</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nope. A god’s portfolio is a part of their essence. They don’t violate their essence willy-nilly and certainly don’t ask their servants to. The anthropomorphic representation of mercy is never going to be OK with killing a bunch of people without giving them a chance to repent, and the representation of nature is never going to be OK with strip mining.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Depends on the god and their portfolio.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You can’t become a paladin “by accident”. If the fighter actively sought a particular god’s grace or decided to consecrate their life to a particular Oath than they might become a paladin. But doing good acts is not enough.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nope. Free will is a thing. The paladin saved a toddler. The toddler has free will to become a great hero or a great villain. The fact that they chose to become a great villain does not make the paladin responsible for his actions. The villain needs to take responsibility for what they have done.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrozenNorth, post: 8833330, member: 7020832"] Never heard of this happening, apart from truly bad DMing, but no, paladins answer to a higher power, so the fact that a jurisdiction (that may be extremely corrupt) finds them guilty of something has no bearing on their powers. Nope, your timing is way off on this question. If committing a crime would cost a paladin their powers, the effect would occur at the moment the crime was committed, not after they were convicted of the fact. So, during their trial, the Paladin could argue that they retain their powers as evidence they didn’t commit the crime, but if they were nonetheless convicted, well, the fact they retained their powers isn’t new information. Moreover, from the perspective of a judge or jury, “the paladin still has their powers” just isn’t compelling evidence: [LIST] [*]god’s laws and man’s laws are different, so maybe the god doesn’t care about the crime; [*]maybe the god cares about the crime, but doesn’t consider it a fall-worthy offense; [*]maybe the god cares about crime and considers it a fall-worthy offense, but has other reasons for not removing the paladin’s powers; [*]maybe the god did remove the powers but the paladin atoned in between time ; [/LIST] -maybe the god did remove the powers but the demonstration of “paladin powers” is a sham; Nope. A god’s portfolio is a part of their essence. They don’t violate their essence willy-nilly and certainly don’t ask their servants to. The anthropomorphic representation of mercy is never going to be OK with killing a bunch of people without giving them a chance to repent, and the representation of nature is never going to be OK with strip mining. Depends on the god and their portfolio. You can’t become a paladin “by accident”. If the fighter actively sought a particular god’s grace or decided to consecrate their life to a particular Oath than they might become a paladin. But doing good acts is not enough. Nope. Free will is a thing. The paladin saved a toddler. The toddler has free will to become a great hero or a great villain. The fact that they chose to become a great villain does not make the paladin responsible for his actions. The villain needs to take responsibility for what they have done. [/QUOTE]
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