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I have 6 questions about Paladins and 5 of them involve unusual ways in which 1 could lose his or her powers
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<blockquote data-quote="Bagpuss" data-source="post: 8833350" data-attributes="member: 3987"><p>Well first of it varies a lot between editions how and when Paladins lose their powers, and in 5th Edition, they might never have to as it is</p><p></p><p>"If a paladin willfully violates his or her oath and shows no sign of repentance, the consequences <strong>can </strong>be more serious. <strong>At the DM’s discretion</strong>, an impenitent paladin might be forced to abandon this class and adopt another, or perhaps to take the Oathbreaker paladin option that appears in the <em>Dungeon Master’s Guide</em>."</p><p></p><p>So all the advice below is based on my interpretation as a DM, so your ideas might be different.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, committing crime is fine, so long as it doesn't break their oath.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Did they break their oath? If they didn't then it doesn't matter to them or their powers, but it might to higher ups in the church. </p><p></p><p>I had a Paladin the would regularly visit brothels, both to administer cure disease, but also make use of their services, it didn't break his oath but it did regularly get him in heated discussions with higher ups in the church for bringing the church into disrepute. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, depends on the nature of the crime, and the nature of the oath and if the courts in that land recognise the validity of a Paladin oath.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wow reading "he or she" and "him or her" all the time is a real pain, can't we just use "they/them" when the gender isn't determined?</p><p></p><p>I think a Paladin would question if the quest really came from their god if they required them to break their oath. Then they would have to way up if they were willing to break it or not. If they broke it I would think they would still need to atone as the oath is a personal matter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Depends on the Oath they have taken. Plague isn't as good example as traditionally Paladins are very good at curing diseases, with Lay on Hands. But assuming they are presented with a <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/trolley-problem-moral-philosophy-ethics#:~:text=The%20trolley%20problem%20is%20a,to%20kill%20just%201%20person." target="_blank">trolley cart situation</a>, then again they would have to look at what their oath says. It will frequently not say anything, and then they have to make a personal choice. Could be they need to atone or not no matter what choice they make.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you want to allow that as a DM feel free (although there is nothing in the rules for it). It would be a good reason to allow a Fighter (or any other character) to respect as a Paladin. But really one act isn't enough, it is a life of following an oath.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No of course not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bagpuss, post: 8833350, member: 3987"] Well first of it varies a lot between editions how and when Paladins lose their powers, and in 5th Edition, they might never have to as it is "If a paladin willfully violates his or her oath and shows no sign of repentance, the consequences [B]can [/B]be more serious. [B]At the DM’s discretion[/B], an impenitent paladin might be forced to abandon this class and adopt another, or perhaps to take the Oathbreaker paladin option that appears in the [I]Dungeon Master’s Guide[/I]." So all the advice below is based on my interpretation as a DM, so your ideas might be different. No, committing crime is fine, so long as it doesn't break their oath. Did they break their oath? If they didn't then it doesn't matter to them or their powers, but it might to higher ups in the church. I had a Paladin the would regularly visit brothels, both to administer cure disease, but also make use of their services, it didn't break his oath but it did regularly get him in heated discussions with higher ups in the church for bringing the church into disrepute. No, depends on the nature of the crime, and the nature of the oath and if the courts in that land recognise the validity of a Paladin oath. Wow reading "he or she" and "him or her" all the time is a real pain, can't we just use "they/them" when the gender isn't determined? I think a Paladin would question if the quest really came from their god if they required them to break their oath. Then they would have to way up if they were willing to break it or not. If they broke it I would think they would still need to atone as the oath is a personal matter. Depends on the Oath they have taken. Plague isn't as good example as traditionally Paladins are very good at curing diseases, with Lay on Hands. But assuming they are presented with a [URL='https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/trolley-problem-moral-philosophy-ethics#:~:text=The%20trolley%20problem%20is%20a,to%20kill%20just%201%20person.']trolley cart situation[/URL], then again they would have to look at what their oath says. It will frequently not say anything, and then they have to make a personal choice. Could be they need to atone or not no matter what choice they make. If you want to allow that as a DM feel free (although there is nothing in the rules for it). It would be a good reason to allow a Fighter (or any other character) to respect as a Paladin. But really one act isn't enough, it is a life of following an oath. No of course not. [/QUOTE]
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