I Have A Copy of Monster Manual 5.

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

The thing is, there's so much potential and classic goodness to the creatures in older editions that can not only be converted to 3.5E, but given a new spin to it (especially if it wasn't interesting in the first place, make it interesting!).

Yeeeeeah, no. If it wasn't interesting to begin with, I'd rather have WotC come up with something interesting to replace it. Salvaging the losers of the past is something people should do in Ecology articles or PDF products or even really compelling message board posts.

Trying to make the Adherer not suck is a goal with only a so-so chance of success and I'd rather take my chances with something new than something that's already got a history of not working.

 

[JiCi]

Can someone give me a short description on the new construct creatures please ?

 

[Dire Bare]

I felt the same way you did about the MM2 weirds, DB, at first. The old water weirds were kind of dumb, though. The new ones are a lot more interesting, although I would have liked to have seen the old ones converted as well in the same volume.

Actually, I LOVE the new Weirds, they are very cool and interesting monsters and I've even used them in game. I just wish they hadn't been called Water Weirds (and Earth, Fire, etc).

The new take on the classic water weirds in Dragon was a lovely nod from the Paizo folks to the original creations, it's just a shame it was necessary in the first place.

 

[Dire Bare]

Yeeeeeah, no. If it wasn't interesting to begin with, I'd rather have WotC come up with something interesting to replace it. Salvaging the losers of the past is something people should do in Ecology articles or PDF products or even really compelling message board posts.

Trying to make the Adherer not suck is a goal with only a so-so chance of success and I'd rather take my chances with something new than something that's already got a history of not working.

There are some truly sucktackular "classic" monsters that have yet to be updated, if ever. Paizo's article "Monsters of Suck" in the Dragon Ecologies collection was just a beautiful example of this.

However, there are still tons of very cool monsters that have not yet been updated officially. That's why I love the Creature Catalog guys!

 

[Dire Bare]

Actually, both uses of "Exarch" are appropriate, no multiple meanings here. "Exarch" is a real world religious title (look it up!). An Exarch of Bane is a dude in the religious hierarchy of Bane's church, he/she serves Bane.

The MMV Exarch serves a dragon, rather than a god. Slightly different use of the term unless the template supposes a religious devotion to the dragon, but not really a different meaning.

Hmmm, I'm quoting myself here, that can't be a good sign . . . .

After poking around on Wikipedia a bit more, I found that the title of Exarch has been used both secularly and religiously at different times and places in Europe. It seems to usually denote control over a region, rather than simply being a religious title akin to Deacon, Bishop, or even Pope. One could be both a Bishop and an Exarch!

So, do these Draconic Exarchs in MMV rule over any territory for their draconic masters? For that matter, do the Exarchs of Bane or Hextor rule territory in the name of their respective churches? Or did D&D just do another random title grab with a cool sounding name?

Either way, I'm cool. I have decided to use the title Exarch in my new campaign I'm working on, perfect for a theocracy . . . .

 

[Patlin]

Yeah. Kord-Blooded. The god-blooded template is an uber-template in that it's a template of templates. You pick the god and use the uber-template to create a template to apply to a creature.

Yeah! And there I go getting all indignant I was going to get stuck with a bunch of templates only usefull on Greyhawk!

 

[Razz]

I'd guess two reasons:

1. If they convert something old, they will get flack for doing it wrong. However they chose to do it, odds are those "old" gamers won't agree to it. Or at least, someone is bound to make a stink about it on the internet, thereby making it less fun and fulfillling trying to please the rest.

2. It is more fun creating new stuff than redoing someone else's work.

I think it's mostly 2, but some of 1 also enters into it, I believe.

/M

I think it is both those cases, too, but are there any creatures out there converted from an older edition that still sucks currently? I'm sure there's a few, but there's also a few brand new creatures that're real crap, too.

I'm not the one who thinks ALL creatures from past editions should return, but there is quite a number out there that should and would probably receive a wider audience if some spotlight was given to them. Case in point, the Modron article in the recent Dragon Magazine, the Archomentals, the Ferrous Dragons, and more. Dragon Compendium Volume One did so well because many 1E and 2E material (besides monsters) were updated from older editions.

Heck, even the Flumph was loved by few (or some? I can't really tell the number of Flumph fans out there?) and Dungeon Magazine provided it.

Also, I doubt Creature Catalog is so famous and loved by the magazine fans just because some of the beasties in the article are "new" creatures.

MM2 was the best MM in my opinion, only cause it had a right mixture of old and new creatures.

 

[Razz]

Yeeeeeah, no. If it wasn't interesting to begin with, I'd rather have WotC come up with something interesting to replace it. Salvaging the losers of the past is something people should do in Ecology articles or PDF products or even really compelling message board posts.

Trying to make the Adherer not suck is a goal with only a so-so chance of success and I'd rather take my chances with something new than something that's already got a history of not working.

I dunno, the Susurrus was an older edition creature and it's been given a face-lift in MM3 that worked rather well.

 

[Glyfair]

What do people want to know about it?

Given one of the RPGA fastplay characters in the current poll is a Jaebrin, I'd be curious about some more details (enough to decide whether it would be an interesting option).

 

[Superj3nius]

playable races and their level adjustment please!