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<blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 4082637" data-attributes="member: 518"><p>Y'now...assumptions are a funny thing.</p><p></p><p>MAYBE ....what you consider an improvement, I do not. </p><p></p><p>MAYBE.... I don't care for my combats to seem like a session of Squad Leader and last the better part of 3 hours. Or even one hour for that matter. </p><p></p><p>MAYBE.... "cool" to me is playing the part of a fragile 1st level elven wizard with a sleep spell, no armor ,and a dagger in his boot instead of 1st level eladrin wizard who can teleport around the battefield as a natural ability and packs as much punch as the fighter, ranger or paladin.</p><p></p><p>MAYBE.... instead of having to make sure all the classes have kewl things to do in combat in order to have fun (according to the designers, who know whats best for me ), I like to run games where each class in question gets a chance to shine in an adventure and use his skills/abilities the others do not have whether its a combat situation or not.</p><p></p><p>MAYBE.... some people need to get off their high horses and realize the game has changed very significantly in the past two editions despite the names remaining the same and just because some of us may not like all the changes does not make us "wrong", "grognards", or "nostalgic". </p><p></p><p>MAYBE.....just maybe...I happen to LIKE...no REALLY, IT'S NOT NOSTALGIA, BUT ACTUALLY LIKE (!) prior editions of the game. OMG-ZERS, IS THAT LIKE, POSSIBLE? (well, not according to the 3E or 4E designers it seems or a alot of people here on ENWORLD lately! All these years I THOUGHT I was having fun??? But it was just nostalgia. I really *wasn't* having any fun at all <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>MAYBE I really wanted to like 4E (and 3E) and its clear to me its not the kind of thing I consider an improvement or do not consider a better game. Despite other's assertions to the contrary.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JeffB, post: 4082637, member: 518"] Y'now...assumptions are a funny thing. MAYBE ....what you consider an improvement, I do not. MAYBE.... I don't care for my combats to seem like a session of Squad Leader and last the better part of 3 hours. Or even one hour for that matter. MAYBE.... "cool" to me is playing the part of a fragile 1st level elven wizard with a sleep spell, no armor ,and a dagger in his boot instead of 1st level eladrin wizard who can teleport around the battefield as a natural ability and packs as much punch as the fighter, ranger or paladin. MAYBE.... instead of having to make sure all the classes have kewl things to do in combat in order to have fun (according to the designers, who know whats best for me ), I like to run games where each class in question gets a chance to shine in an adventure and use his skills/abilities the others do not have whether its a combat situation or not. MAYBE.... some people need to get off their high horses and realize the game has changed very significantly in the past two editions despite the names remaining the same and just because some of us may not like all the changes does not make us "wrong", "grognards", or "nostalgic". MAYBE.....just maybe...I happen to LIKE...no REALLY, IT'S NOT NOSTALGIA, BUT ACTUALLY LIKE (!) prior editions of the game. OMG-ZERS, IS THAT LIKE, POSSIBLE? (well, not according to the 3E or 4E designers it seems or a alot of people here on ENWORLD lately! All these years I THOUGHT I was having fun??? But it was just nostalgia. I really *wasn't* having any fun at all :( MAYBE I really wanted to like 4E (and 3E) and its clear to me its not the kind of thing I consider an improvement or do not consider a better game. Despite other's assertions to the contrary. [/QUOTE]
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