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Sir ThornCrest

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I had posted about a 10th Monk with the vow of poverty & vow of piece, about a week ago. There were so many people on this site it was on the second page just a couple of minutes later and only got like 1 or 2 non informitive responses. Here it goes agian. Am I correct & what are your thoughts on it...

10th level Monk with a 18 dex and 18 wis, 4th level 19 dex, 8th level =20dex, and vow of pov gives +2 wis
Vow of Poverty with Vow of Peace for a Monk is unbelievable powerfull. Any other class I would be hesitant.

ARMOR CLASS, the biggest advantage of this vow combo.

V of Pov.
#1) +7 exalted bonus to ac, +1 natural ac, +1 deflection ac = 9
V of Pce.
2) +2 natural, +2 deflection bonus, +2 exalted bonus = 6
and a synergy bonus for having both Vows
3) +2 deflection ac, +2 exalted ac and +2 natural ac = 6

so far this guy has a +21 to his ac, add on his wisdom and dex to ac = +10
so he now has a +31ac. Add on the +2 a 10th level Monk gets this is now a +33AC
add on the unarmored variant and you have another +8 = +41 add this to the base 10 and you now have a Monk standing naked with a 50 AC AM I HIGH OR IS THIS A LITTLE MUCH???? YOU COULDNT HIT HIM WITH A NATURAL 20 OR A TRUE STRIKE SPELL!!! THAT IS YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED BOTH IN ORDER TOP HIT THIS GUY!!!!!

The two vows have many other advantaqes but the AC thing really stuck out


your thoughts

Thorncrest
 

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Well, you would be better off asking this in the rules forum. Maybe a Mod will be kind enough to move it there shortly?

I would suggest you double-check your typed bonuses and be cler on which ones stack and which ones overlap.

Secondly, the Book of Exalted Deeds is cool. but it breaks the system in that it enforces roleplaying limitations as a "balance" to mechanical benefits. This ran rampant through 2nd Ed and was the cause of many problems. If you aren't willing to RP heavily the Exalted challenges, then you shouldn't allow the Book of Exalted deeds into your game. A PC that was truly exalted would have quite a conundrum in the proverbial "orc nursery". An Exalted PC would not allow these helpless children to be destroyed. Especially with Vow of Peace. I could see a Vow of Poverty, Vow of Peace Monk taking the Orc children to a trusted monastary and arranging for them to be brought up in a loving, disciplined environment so they could become productive memebers of society. Thus the monk will have maed a meaningful, positive impact on the world.

How many players are going to really enjoy playing in this environment? And if you have an entire party of peace-loving mendicants, then you are playing a much different game than the Core rules assume. In that case, high ACs are cool because it allows these PCs to sidestep the clumsy attacks of their deluded enemies while they try to preach a better life.

But as I said, be absolutely sure you understand how typed bonuses stack and overlap before you worry about the high AC.
 

Vow of Poverty isn't (only) a roleplaying restrictions. It's a very mechanical restriction: you can't have magical items. Similarly, Vow of Peace is a mechanical restriction. You can't deal lethal damage to anything that isn't undead or construct.

BTW, if you have VoPeace and get attacked by plants and elementals, are you supposed to just flee?
 


Sir ThornCrest said:
ARMOR CLASS, the biggest advantage of this vow combo.

V of Pov.
#1) +7 exalted bonus to ac, +1 natural ac, +1 deflection ac = 9
V of Pce.
2) +2 natural, +2 deflection bonus, +2 exalted bonus = 6
and a synergy bonus for having both Vows
3) +2 deflection ac, +2 exalted ac and +2 natural ac = 6


Thorncrest


+7 exalted, +2 deflection, +2 natural = 11

Like named bonuses don't stack, you just use the highest one.

+5 Dex. +4 Wis. = 9

9+11+10 base = 30 AC

It's really not that bad.
 

You could actually reply when people post. Falling to page 2 does not mean that your thread is gone, never to return.

Off the top of my head (don't own BoED) you double-counted the Vow of Peace benefits. Vow of Peace is +6 AC, and worded in such a way that it stacks with all of the Vow of Poverty benefits. Plus, according to your post he only has 20 Wisdom, so +5 from Wisdom AC, not +6.

So +9 VoPoverty, +6 VoPeace, +5 Wisdom, +2 Monk, +3 Dex= 35 AC. Note that 16 Dex and 20 Wis is pretty good for a 10th level Monk with only his VoP bonuses to stats. That means he started with 16 Dex and 16 Wis. What is his Str score? Con? Can he do anything besides stand there? If not, why should anyone need to bother killing him.

I think you have Vow of Nonviolence working with Vow of Peace for +4 DC, but I remember thinking that this didn't work when I created a character by borrowing a friend's BoED. As my DM said, just have him take "Vow of Being an Inanimate Object" and get it over with. I'm not even sure Vow of Peace characters can cause subdual damage...
 


Zappo said:
Vow of Poverty isn't (only) a roleplaying restrictions. It's a very mechanical restriction: you can't have magical items. Similarly, Vow of Peace is a mechanical restriction. You can't deal lethal damage to anything that isn't undead or construct.

BTW, if you have VoPeace and get attacked by plants and elementals, are you supposed to just flee?
Talk them into being nice? :p

Yeah, could be difficult, considering the intelligence (or lack thereof) of most plants and many elementals. Still, there are some powers that can be useful there.
 


about those vows

Yes they can strike but to only cause subdual ie KO. they can kill undead and contructs, which I would include plants elementals.

his attack would cause 1d10, + 3 for str, +2d6 +1 Holy vs evil plus touch of golden ice.

So he can pack a wallup

Thorncrest


Elric said:
You could actually reply when people post. Falling to page 2 does not mean that your thread is gone, never to return.

Off the top of my head (don't own BoED) you double-counted the Vow of Peace benefits. Vow of Peace is +6 AC, and worded in such a way that it stacks with all of the Vow of Poverty benefits. Plus, according to your post he only has 20 Wisdom, so +5 from Wisdom AC, not +6.

So +9 VoPoverty, +6 VoPeace, +5 Wisdom, +2 Monk, +3 Dex= 35 AC. Note that 16 Dex and 20 Wis is pretty good for a 10th level Monk with only his VoP bonuses to stats. That means he started with 16 Dex and 16 Wis. What is his Str score? Con? Can he do anything besides stand there? If not, why should anyone need to bother killing him.

I think you have Vow of Nonviolence working with Vow of Peace for +4 DC, but I remember thinking that this didn't work when I created a character by borrowing a friend's BoED. As my DM said, just have him take "Vow of Being an Inanimate Object" and get it over with. I'm not even sure Vow of Peace characters can cause subdual damage...
 

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