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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 2783576" data-attributes="member: 707">I sympathize with you, Gruff.  It can be hard to find good gamers.  There are indeed a lot of gamers who became so because they were outcast due to poor hygiene and bad social skills, and haven't really ever improved.However, I think you should look at yourself as a source of faith.  You yourself aren't one of those folks, so surely there are others out there, right?  It's just a matter of finding them.  Don't continue to play in a group that's immature.  Move one until you find a good one.I've managed to find a really good one myself, so I'm very happy.  Our other DM (I alternate with him) is the vice-president of a large software company.  Another player is an engineer.  Several of the players have children, and are good, wholesome parents.  Everyone has their head on straight, and we have a great time gaming. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Before I found this group, I read about a group here on ENWorld that was filled with vocational professionals.  They actually interviewed candidates for a spot they had in their group.  They filled up before I got a chance to apply, but let me say that they seemed like a very mature, fun group.  They worked hard to stay that way.So mature, intelligent gamers are certainly out there.  The problem is, they usually keep to themselves! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  You're going to have to go through a few groups and keep your eyes open before you find your way into one.  Once you're there, though, it's all golden.I've known people who were very mature for their age.  I knew a girl at 13 who was more mature than 30-year-olds.  And I play with a 12-year-old in my group now (the son of another player) who is remarkably mature for his age.However, when you're trying to build a group from scratch, I wouldn't fault someone for setting an age limit.  If I were starting a group from scratch, I certainly would.  I'd rather miss that one surprisingly mature 15-year-old, and not waste time interviewing the 50 immature kids I'd have to sift through to get to him.</blockquote>

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