Here my other thread it has all that I think will work.
http://boards.wizards.com/rpg-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=123;t=003151
http://boards.wizards.com/rpg-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=123;t=003151
I need help with this. its a Psion thing.
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Seule
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Personally, I'd go with bonus feats like a Sorcerer gets, IE none, as they are the closest equivalent. If you think Psions need a little beefing up, get If Thoughts Could Kill, the adventure by Bruce Cordell, and implement some of the suggestions in there about alternate power lists, converted spells, and power scaling.
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I'm with Seule. Psions aren't underpowered; I have a Psion and a Sorcerer (they actually started as two versions of the same character, depending on whether the DM let me use Psionics).
Multiclass Psions can use armor without penalty (mine's an Aristocrat/Shaper/(custom prestige class)). They have more flexibility in casting (my Sorcerer often runs out of level 3 slots while still having almost all of his level 2 slots remaining). They can benefit from high stats other than the useless CHA. Certain spells, like divinations or mind control, come at lower levels than for a Sorcerer. Their class skill list is much better, no matter which discipline you pick. They can still cast while being Held, Silenced, Polymorphed, etc. They can use Psionic Attack modes to stun people for cheap. They have no need to carry around a bag of bat guano (material components). They have access to a lot of nice Feats requiring a power reserve (like Inertial Armor or Speed of Thought).
On the downside, they get about 33% less spells per day total once you count in stat bonuses, they suck at damage spells, and once they get to high levels they're really limited to their prime discipline. The d20 DC thing is both good and bad. A Familiar has more uses than a Psicrystal, although it's not as happy to stay in your backpack.
I think they're balanced nicely as is, maybe a bit TOO strong.
Multiclass Psions can use armor without penalty (mine's an Aristocrat/Shaper/(custom prestige class)). They have more flexibility in casting (my Sorcerer often runs out of level 3 slots while still having almost all of his level 2 slots remaining). They can benefit from high stats other than the useless CHA. Certain spells, like divinations or mind control, come at lower levels than for a Sorcerer. Their class skill list is much better, no matter which discipline you pick. They can still cast while being Held, Silenced, Polymorphed, etc. They can use Psionic Attack modes to stun people for cheap. They have no need to carry around a bag of bat guano (material components). They have access to a lot of nice Feats requiring a power reserve (like Inertial Armor or Speed of Thought).
On the downside, they get about 33% less spells per day total once you count in stat bonuses, they suck at damage spells, and once they get to high levels they're really limited to their prime discipline. The d20 DC thing is both good and bad. A Familiar has more uses than a Psicrystal, although it's not as happy to stay in your backpack.
I think they're balanced nicely as is, maybe a bit TOO strong.
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reiella
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Have to agree with Draco here, but that's mostly from reading brc's comments on the epic psion http://pub58.ezboard.com/fokayyourturnfrm18.showMessage?topicID=628.topic .
The new 'powers known' for a psion at 1/lvl and only from your discipline results in you knowing very few powers as a result of epic progression (and for the most part, just low level powers, as at the higher levels most of your powers tend to be only in your prime discipline).
Also at least, it only takes 3 (Albiet epic) feats for sorcerers and wizards to have fragrant use of armor as well (Automatic Still Spell), although you can argue about the 'order' when dealing with metamagic'd spells I'd guess.
Some advantage at least in most DMs ignoring Displays or at least not making them as freaking annoying as they're written.
Important bit really is too see how it fairs in your campaign however.
Especially since people have different perceptions, and different people take aspects of the Psion to different lengthes (the displays and psi combat have huge potential to make you not want to be a psion regardless). But not going to get into an argument/dispute over that heh.
The new 'powers known' for a psion at 1/lvl and only from your discipline results in you knowing very few powers as a result of epic progression (and for the most part, just low level powers, as at the higher levels most of your powers tend to be only in your prime discipline).
Also at least, it only takes 3 (Albiet epic) feats for sorcerers and wizards to have fragrant use of armor as well (Automatic Still Spell), although you can argue about the 'order' when dealing with metamagic'd spells I'd guess.
Some advantage at least in most DMs ignoring Displays or at least not making them as freaking annoying as they're written.
Important bit really is too see how it fairs in your campaign however.
Especially since people have different perceptions, and different people take aspects of the Psion to different lengthes (the displays and psi combat have huge potential to make you not want to be a psion regardless). But not going to get into an argument/dispute over that heh.
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