D&D 5E (2024) [+] What does a non-spellcaster Psion need/look like?

[CreamCloud0]

She's literally a witch that casts spells and has a magic book!

you literally quoted me saying i'm only referencing AoU to IW

 

[Crimson Longinus]

you literally quoted me saying i'm only referencing AoU to IW

Nevertheless, she's a witch. In any case, I think that you perceive her a s psion just shows how the distinction between mages and psions is arbitrary. The tropes in fiction are often mixed, and one character can have traits that could be described as either and depending on the beholder, often are. Same thing than what I said about the Stranger Things, really.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Nevertheless, she's a witch. In any case, I think that you perceive her a s psion just shows how the distinction between mages and psions is arbitrary. The tropes in fiction are often mixed, and one character can have traits that could be described as either and depending on the beholder, often are. Same thing than what I said about the Stranger Things, really.

the cross media significance of titles is meaningless, that she is called a witch means nothing for what class she would represent/be in DnD, she is a powered individual who specialises in mental manipulation and raw energy manipulation who's powers are directly correlated to her emotions, that's more than enough to land her squarely in the position of psion for me, that she uses a spellbook is completely irrelevant as i explicitly excluded the media that was pulled from where i stated where i was referencing her depiction, we could just intentionally ignore any and all differences and lump everything together like you say but i think that is the boring choice.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

the cross media significance of titles is meaningless, that she is called a witch means nothing for what class she would represent/be in DnD, she is a powered individual who specialises in mental manipulation and raw energy manipulation who's powers are directly correlated to her emotions, that's more than enough to land her squarely in the position of psion for me, that she uses a spellbook is completely irrelevant as i explicitly excluded the media that was pulled from where i stated where i was referencing her depiction, we could just intentionally ignore any and all differences and lump everything together like you say but i think that is the boring choice.

I mean you literally exclude things about her that are part of the same continuity. That is just weird cherry picking, and that you have to do this shows how artificial the divide between a mage and a psion is.

 

[CreamCloud0]

I mean you literally exclude things about her that are part of the same continuity. That is just weird cherry picking, and that you have to do this shows how artificial the divide between a mage and a psion is.

why is it at all bad or wrong that i'm cherry picking? firstly i haven't seen the media she's depicted in outside of the ones i specified so i didn't want to unintentionally include factors that would influence my example, and secondly why am i obligated to take the entirety of a character across all of their continuity, like, the capabilities of tony's suits change massively across the MCU, why can't i point to his capabilities between say Iron Man 2 after he integrated the electricity absorption into his suit but before he gets the neural implants in 3 and say 'just reference his capabilities in this bit here'? must i also include his later nanotech because that's something he gets at somepoint too?

 

[Crimson Longinus]

why is it at all bad or wrong that i'm cherry picking? firstly i haven't seen the media she's depicted in outside of the ones i specified so i didn't want to unintentionally include factors that would influence my example, and secondly why am i obligated to take the entirety of a character across all of their continuity, like, the capabilities of tony's suits change massively across the MCU, why can't i point to his capabilities between say Iron Man 2 after he integrated the electricity absorption into his suit but before he gets the neural implants in 3 and say 'just reference his capabilities in this bit here'? must i also include his later nanotech because that's something he gets at somepoint too?

I just find it absolutely hilarious that your example of "non-magical psion" is a character who is a literal spell casting witch that definitely does magic. And that the character can be perceived that way whilst evolving into even more blatantly magical direction without it feeling weird at all just shows how arbitrary the distinction is.

Like we can have classes that have different sort of mechanics in the game and I have suggested some. But my suggestion was literally based on the magic system of another game. So I just do not understand what people want with the psionics, as ultimately it is just another word for magic, and you choosing one of the most blatantly magical chracters as an example of a psion just reinforces this.