Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

[Thomas Shey]

Gotcha, nobody i've seen here but you uses it.

I've seen a couple other people use it, but I've been spending a lot of time on the 13A Discord since my campaign started up, so its probably bled into my speech more than it was previously. I do find the various ways of expressing the concept ("D&D-adjacent", "D&D-sphere" and so on) I otherwise use kind of clumsy, but maybe that's the price of clarity.

 

[Thomas Shey]

I suspect that if it was Paizo selling that same content, its volume would be viable. Subscription plans, amirite?

Possibly. I don't have a good sense of how much of their market is subscription, and I don't feel qualified to judge how many people would still be doing that with the diminishing returns that would be the modern support for PF1e or a very similar 2e given how much ground was covered in the ten years they were supporting 1e.

 

[Reynard]

I suspect that if it was Paizo selling that same content, its volume would be viable. Subscription plans, amirite?

I suspect that Paizo could have maintained its PF1 sales for a while but it eventually would have fallen off and it would not have attracted new customers, which is what every company needs to be viable.

 

[payn]

I suspect that Paizo could have maintained its PF1 sales for a while but it eventually would have fallen off and it would not have attracted new customers, which is what every company needs to be viable.

Yeah 10 years is a good run especially on the heels of 3E. I think getting out from D&D's shadow was a strong driver too which proved to be a good gamble.

 

[Velderan]

I suspect that if it was Paizo selling that same content, its volume would be viable. Subscription plans, amirite?

That's making the assumption their sales numbers weren't trending downward enough that prompted them to work on 2e to begin with.

 

[Reynard]

Something I forgot about that may make me change my mind, at least for a little bit: the whole reason I decided to learn PF2E was that I love Starfinder and want to play SF2E. The playtest rules should be out relatively soon.

Crap. Now I am torn.

 

[Retreater]

Something I forgot about that may make me change my mind, at least for a little bit: the whole reason I decided to learn PF2E was that I love Starfinder and want to play SF2E. The playtest rules should be out relatively soon.

Crap. Now I am torn.

Yes, I think the playtest is due in August.
Do you really dislike PF2e? If so, I don't know if the Starfinder veneer will change it.

 

[Reynard]

Yes, I think the playtest is due in August.
Do you really dislike PF2e? If so, I don't know if the Starfinder veneer will change it.

It isn't that I don't like it, it is that it is A LOT to learn while still enjoying running it. Does that make sense?

 

[Pedantic]

Yeah 10 years is a good run especially on the heels of 3E. I think getting out from D&D's shadow was a strong driver too which proved to be a good gamble.

I do wish there was a better path for like... Actual new editions in D&Dlikes, without massive engine changes. I still pine for say, a 3.5 release with a Warbladelike as the fighter, the assorted multiclass fix feats worked in, a new pass at classes/skill usage based on all that new development. 3.5 and PF1 were the closest we came to that kind of update, and they weren't really the result of taking X years of development and reworking/curating so much as outside business needs both times.

I'd really like more attempts at integration and improvement without blowing up the world. I think there's definitely some point where no one is going to be upset about starting over (10 years feels like plenty) and PFs wide open SRD mitigates that even further.

 

[Justice and Rule]

It isn't that I don't like it, it is that it is A LOT to learn while still enjoying running it. Does that make sense?

Starfinder 2E might be a bit easier because you're at the start of the cycle, rather than after several big books and a whole remaster. Might help you get over the hump of learning/knowing things by not feeling like you have a whole bunch of "homework", but are starting with everyone else.

I would say that it's also one of those very hard mental blocks to get over that I had for a long time (and still kind of do), where you feel like you have to know all the rules at any given time. Sometimes you roll with things if you can't find it quick and inform everyone that you'll look it up in the future. That might not fly with certain groups, but it does with mine.