Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

[Reynard]

As a personal rule, I like narratives in games, but not in real life. I want to know what's actually going on, and what happened before, rather than assuming "this makes the most sense." And to be sure, sometimes the latter is the best we can do (and on occasion, the inference even turns out to be right), but that's not a reason to make that the go-to option.

Fair enough. Thanks for answering.

It might very well be that PF1 sales were declining, to the point where Paizo needed to release a new edition to avoid closing their doors (from what I've read, the major motivation for new editions of TTRPGs is primarily financial). I just don't want to presume that out of hand; we used to presume that "adventures don't sell," but Paizo still sells Adventure Paths, stand-alone adventures, and Pathfinder Society adventures. So I'd rather not assume they can buck one trend but not another.

On this, I think it isn't "adventures don't sell" it is "adventures don't sell enough for WotC to bother much with them" and was a major motivating factor of the original OGL. Having a lot of different kinds of adventures avaiulable is good for the game, but producing them is not good for one company. But smaller companies can benefit from publishing those adventures (along with splat books).

It is interesting that if we look at WotC's output during 5E, the majority of it has been in the form of adventures. Something changed, it seems.

 

[Velderan]

Fair enough. Thanks for answering.

On this, I think it isn't "adventures don't sell" it is "adventures don't sell enough for WotC to bother much with them" and was a major motivating factor of the original OGL. Having a lot of different kinds of adventures avaiulable is good for the game, but producing them is not good for one company. But smaller companies can benefit from publishing those adventures (along with splat books).

It is interesting that if we look at WotC's output during 5E, the majority of it has been in the form of adventures. Something changed, it seems.

I'll just point out you're looking for logic from a person who started their posting in this thread off by guessing without any data to back it up that sales would be just fine because subscriptions, but yet pushes back on everyone else using actual available info from people with firsthand access to sales data to argue against the idea the PF2e audience is smaller than the PF1e audience was at the end.

 

[Alzrius]

I'll just point out you're looking for logic from a person who started their posting in this thread off by guessing without any data to back it up that sales would be just fine because subscriptions, but yet pushes back on everyone else using actual available info from people with firsthand access to sales data to argue against the idea the PF2e audience is smaller than the PF1e audience was at the end.

I'll likewise point out that this is not only a rather bland ad hominem fallacy, but also a gross mischaracterization of the post in question (i.e. it was pointing out the assumptions being made, not making an assertion). Perhaps you should review your own "logic" before casting aspersions on someone else's.

EDIT: Unless you were referring to this post, which makes even less sense, since I was just pointing out that the PF1 third-party community is still breaking new (creative) ground, as opposed to "same-old-same-old" material necessarily needing to be what was published by that point in the game's life-cycle.

 

[Belen]

Paizo made some questionable decision too such as their open world MMO that crashed and burned.

I sunk money for a guild license into it and it was absolute garbage that was decidedly not Pathfinder. It was a huge factor in my canceling all my Paizo monthly subs and when I stopped buying their products.

 

[payn]

Paizo made some questionable decision too such as their open world MMO that crashed and burned.

I sunk money for a guild license into it and it was absolute garbage that was decidedly not Pathfinder. It was a huge factor in my canceling all my Paizo monthly subs and when I stopped buying their products.

That wasnt Paizo that crashed and burned on the MMO but a separate company.

 

[Belen]

That wasnt Paizo that crashed and burned on the MMO but a separate company.

Paizo was fully supporting it. I got routine communications from them regarding it and they had folks working with the company on it. It was a Pathfinder license so they carried some responsibility. It was so bad and I jumped on being a major supporter and backer of it because of the Paizo brand.

It completely damaged my trust in their company.

 

[Alzrius]

That wasnt Paizo that crashed and burned on the MMO but a separate company.

Yes and no. While it's true that the Pathfinder MMO was originally developed by Goblinworks Inc., that was a different company on paper more than in reality, made to insulate Paizo from fallout if Goblinworks went belly-up (which it did)...after which it was announced in 2017 that Paizo would work on the Pathfinder MMO themselves, which they did for several years, finally shuttering the game in November of 2021.

EDIT: Fixed a broken link and reworded for clarification.

 

[Belen]

Yes and no. While it's true that the Pathfinder MMO was originally developed by Goblinworks Inc., that was a different company on paper more than in reality, made to insulate Paizo from fallout if Goblinworks went belly-up (which it did)...after which it was announced that Paizo would work on the Pathfinder MMO themselves (which they did as of March, 2018), and did so for another three and a half years, finally shuttering the game in November of 2021.

Thank you. I really wanted to support Paizo on this one and that guild crowdfunding level was a lot for me back then. It was so disappointing. I have have bought 3 products from them since then.

 

[darjr]

Huh.

I’m super happy if pf2 has been a boon for Paizo.

 

[Umbran]

I'll just point out you're looking for logic from a person ...

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