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<blockquote data-quote="teitan" data-source="post: 8522622" data-attributes="member: 3457"><p>Yeah Abaddon is an Angel, aka Appolyon and other things, who guards the Abyss. Also, last I checked, Abaddon comes from Christianity and not Judaism. I have studied Angelogy/Demonology for 30 years now and the primary source is Christian texts. Jewish sourced angels have very specific naming conventions with names ending in el/al or eh/ah reflecting upward or downward motion in the manifestation of the universe. Not all follow those protocols like Metatron but he is an example of a special case where he was the prophet Enoch and Sandalphon his twin. This included demons which were just angels that had fallen and their names, like Samael, the archangel of Mars, demon of Gamaliel, meaning &quot;Poison of God&quot;.&nbsp; The El being Aleph Lamed, Al, Hebrew (well Semitic root in general, seen in Allah for example) word for God. I don’t see how any of this is anti-Semitic, just a bunch of hooey really and meant to evoke the Christian response to the name moreso than any antisemitic hooey. Poisoned well may be an accusation against innocent people in the past with plagues but it's also not an unfounded one such as the example of the Rajneeshi group in Oregon poisoning the &quot;well&quot;, the local dinner buffets, of their enemies with salmonella they cultivated in their own laboratories on their compound, in order to keep them from voting so that the Rajneeshi could stack the local council with their own people after importing hundreds of homeless people into the region and registering them to vote and &quot;housing&quot; them on the compound in very poor conditions. Sounds like an evil D&amp;D cult to me (the leader's knowledge of these events has always been questioned considering he was very isolated by his representative and afterwards he would go on to found a major ashram network in India). The problem with tropes is that they often later transcend their original inspirations and just become general fictional elements that when used intelligently can tell compelling stories or scenarios beyond just the battle with prejudice and xenophobia, even when portrayed as... people poisoning a well.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="teitan, post: 8522622, member: 3457"] Yeah Abaddon is an Angel, aka Appolyon and other things, who guards the Abyss. Also, last I checked, Abaddon comes from Christianity and not Judaism. I have studied Angelogy/Demonology for 30 years now and the primary source is Christian texts. Jewish sourced angels have very specific naming conventions with names ending in el/al or eh/ah reflecting upward or downward motion in the manifestation of the universe. Not all follow those protocols like Metatron but he is an example of a special case where he was the prophet Enoch and Sandalphon his twin. This included demons which were just angels that had fallen and their names, like Samael, the archangel of Mars, demon of Gamaliel, meaning "Poison of God". The El being Aleph Lamed, Al, Hebrew (well Semitic root in general, seen in Allah for example) word for God. I don’t see how any of this is anti-Semitic, just a bunch of hooey really and meant to evoke the Christian response to the name moreso than any antisemitic hooey. Poisoned well may be an accusation against innocent people in the past with plagues but it's also not an unfounded one such as the example of the Rajneeshi group in Oregon poisoning the "well", the local dinner buffets, of their enemies with salmonella they cultivated in their own laboratories on their compound, in order to keep them from voting so that the Rajneeshi could stack the local council with their own people after importing hundreds of homeless people into the region and registering them to vote and "housing" them on the compound in very poor conditions. Sounds like an evil D&D cult to me (the leader's knowledge of these events has always been questioned considering he was very isolated by his representative and afterwards he would go on to found a major ashram network in India). The problem with tropes is that they often later transcend their original inspirations and just become general fictional elements that when used intelligently can tell compelling stories or scenarios beyond just the battle with prejudice and xenophobia, even when portrayed as... people poisoning a well. [/QUOTE]

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