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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Mhoram" data-source="post: 8142985" data-attributes="member: 4789">My favorite edition is 5th, because I love long crunch rulebooks (or really did) and because of the support it had... but the sweet spot for length and concisness for me was 4th. I started with 3rd edition, and looking at 3rd, 2nd and 1st editions, after having played 4th... they felt like half a game.&nbsp; But the first three were &quot;Champions&quot; and 4th was &quot;Hero system&quot; when it went truly universal.But I understand what you mean there. I was mostly comparing HERO 5th being a dry reference type of book, as opposed to Cypher system Core which is a much more enjoyable read.&nbsp; The book has all sorts of extra resources, but the core concepts of the game take like 30 pages. Everything else are just different character options for different characters - each character only needs about 5 pages of those options. Just a lot to choose from.Edit to add - Hero 5th edition Sidekick which had most all the rules you needs (a few powers and other things were missing) with smoothed out writing was only 128 pages.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Mhoram, post: 8142985, member: 4789"] My favorite edition is 5th, because I love long crunch rulebooks (or really did) and because of the support it had... but the sweet spot for length and concisness for me was 4th. I started with 3rd edition, and looking at 3rd, 2nd and 1st editions, after having played 4th... they felt like half a game. But the first three were "Champions" and 4th was "Hero system" when it went truly universal. But I understand what you mean there. I was mostly comparing HERO 5th being a dry reference type of book, as opposed to Cypher system Core which is a much more enjoyable read. The book has all sorts of extra resources, but the core concepts of the game take like 30 pages. Everything else are just different character options for different characters - each character only needs about 5 pages of those options. Just a lot to choose from. Edit to add - Hero 5th edition Sidekick which had most all the rules you needs (a few powers and other things were missing) with smoothed out writing was only 128 pages. [/QUOTE]

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