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<blockquote data-quote="Dykstrav" data-source="post: 5762881" data-attributes="member: 40522"><p><strong>On a personal level?</strong></p><p></p><p>I'd shrug and keep playing Pathfinder. I might grab a few 4E books from the local used bookstores with the idea of reselling them on eBay (I bet the prices would spike), but it otherwise wouldn't affect me much.</p><p></p><p>When the classic World of Darkness games went out of print, I kept playing and running them. I'll still run the classic FASA version of <em>Star Trek </em>for interested parties, I've played 1E (not a retroclone) as recently as 2010, and I know two groups currently running 1E games and another running 2E. Current support isn't a dealbreaker for me, the only thing that constrains me from playing other games and other editions is my available time.</p><p></p><p><strong>For the hobby?</strong></p><p></p><p>There will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. The internet will burn for months with "I told you so's" and various degrees of accusations and blame mixed with a healthy dose of snark, pessimism, and plain old stupidity.</p><p></p><p>People will fall upon remaining inventories of D&D material like locusts, prices on the secondary market will be artificially inflated for a while.</p><p></p><p>Some groups will continue with business as usual. The end of official support for D&D won't have much of an affect on them. Other groups won't be as fortunate.</p><p></p><p>Many surviving pockets of gamers will become even more insular than they are now--groups will use isolation from one another as a defense mechanism against the edition war to end all edition wars. Such groups will become institutions in and of themselves, much like surviving BECMI, 1E, 2E, and 3E groups are now.</p><p></p><p>Others will become evangelists, trying to start online petitions or form their own businesses to "save" D&D. They will speak boldly of a glorious new golden age of D&D that's right around the corner if enough people buy into their party line, but most people won't take them seriously.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps most interestingly, we'll get to see what happens when Dungeons & Dragons Insider goes dark. But that's a big enough thing for an entirely different thread.</p><p></p><p><strong>For the industry?</strong></p><p></p><p>Honestly... I think that the industry reaction won't be as wild as we suppose. If D&D gets shelved, people that work on D&D at WotC will see the writing on the wall before we do. They'll do what they can to get into other positions within the company or within others. Various websites, podcasters, bloggers, and other sources will scrabble for interviews with the final batch of the D&D staff. It'll be discussed for a long time.</p><p></p><p>Other effects through the industry will simply be an extension of what we're currently seeing now: a variety of companies will put out competing products claiming to hearken back to classic versions of the game, each proclaiming itself as the "true" inheritor to "real" D&D. As <em>Pathfinder</em> is arguably the most successful of such games at the present, it will likely be the <em>de facto</em> leader in the tabletop RPG category. Paizo will make further efforts to increase the players base of its games and will become the "gateway game" to the entire hobby, directly or indirectly.</p><p></p><p><strong>...for the rest of the world?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think that the end of official D&D would get a soft news story on NPR or some outlet that covers pop culture or geek-related issues. At best... Steven Colbert may say something about it on the Colbert Report, and many viewers would likely be surprised that D&D was still in print up until then.</p><p></p><p>Honestly... I think that most of the rest of the world <em>already</em> thinks of D&D as a kitschy bit of '80s retro nostalgia, right up there with legwarmers and the Walkman. Several of the people that I played 3E with (circa 2002-2003) thought that D&D <em>had</em> went out of print at some point. When I tell people that I play role-playing games, they don't even <em>think </em>that I mean something other than video games. Hell, as far back as the 2E days of the mid-'90s, people that work at big retail stores think that I want video game guides or comic books when I ask about D&D. </p><p></p><p>My wife started with tabletop gaming in 2001... With 1E. That's what the group she was with played and that's what they introduced her to. She got her copy of the 1E <em>Player's Handbook</em> in a used bookstore and it never occurred to her that there were different versions of the game at all until we started dating in 2004.</p><p></p><p>When I was living in California in the late '90s, the vast majority of 2E players I met started tabletop RPGs with <em>Vampire: the Masquerade</em>. They branched out into various versions of D&D when they were introduced by older players that started with D&D and played <em>Vampire </em>too. I met a small handful of people who started in the same way with <em>Call of Cthulhu</em> and the West End Games version of the <em>Star Wars</em> RPG. It was actually more common to find people there that started with games other than D&D.</p><p></p><p>Some people know of Dragonlance or Forgotten Realms as a novel line, but in my experience, tabletop RPGs are still just as "obscure and fringe" as they have ever been. I just can't imagine that they'd suffer more in that respect with a lack of official support.</p><p></p><p>I think that finding new players will be just as easy or difficult as it is now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dykstrav, post: 5762881, member: 40522"] [B]On a personal level?[/B] I'd shrug and keep playing Pathfinder. I might grab a few 4E books from the local used bookstores with the idea of reselling them on eBay (I bet the prices would spike), but it otherwise wouldn't affect me much. When the classic World of Darkness games went out of print, I kept playing and running them. I'll still run the classic FASA version of [I]Star Trek [/I]for interested parties, I've played 1E (not a retroclone) as recently as 2010, and I know two groups currently running 1E games and another running 2E. Current support isn't a dealbreaker for me, the only thing that constrains me from playing other games and other editions is my available time. [B]For the hobby?[/B] There will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. The internet will burn for months with "I told you so's" and various degrees of accusations and blame mixed with a healthy dose of snark, pessimism, and plain old stupidity. People will fall upon remaining inventories of D&D material like locusts, prices on the secondary market will be artificially inflated for a while. Some groups will continue with business as usual. The end of official support for D&D won't have much of an affect on them. Other groups won't be as fortunate. Many surviving pockets of gamers will become even more insular than they are now--groups will use isolation from one another as a defense mechanism against the edition war to end all edition wars. Such groups will become institutions in and of themselves, much like surviving BECMI, 1E, 2E, and 3E groups are now. Others will become evangelists, trying to start online petitions or form their own businesses to "save" D&D. They will speak boldly of a glorious new golden age of D&D that's right around the corner if enough people buy into their party line, but most people won't take them seriously. Perhaps most interestingly, we'll get to see what happens when Dungeons & Dragons Insider goes dark. But that's a big enough thing for an entirely different thread. [B]For the industry?[/B] Honestly... I think that the industry reaction won't be as wild as we suppose. If D&D gets shelved, people that work on D&D at WotC will see the writing on the wall before we do. They'll do what they can to get into other positions within the company or within others. Various websites, podcasters, bloggers, and other sources will scrabble for interviews with the final batch of the D&D staff. It'll be discussed for a long time. Other effects through the industry will simply be an extension of what we're currently seeing now: a variety of companies will put out competing products claiming to hearken back to classic versions of the game, each proclaiming itself as the "true" inheritor to "real" D&D. As [I]Pathfinder[/I] is arguably the most successful of such games at the present, it will likely be the [I]de facto[/I] leader in the tabletop RPG category. Paizo will make further efforts to increase the players base of its games and will become the "gateway game" to the entire hobby, directly or indirectly. [B]...for the rest of the world?[/B] I think that the end of official D&D would get a soft news story on NPR or some outlet that covers pop culture or geek-related issues. At best... Steven Colbert may say something about it on the Colbert Report, and many viewers would likely be surprised that D&D was still in print up until then. Honestly... I think that most of the rest of the world [I]already[/I] thinks of D&D as a kitschy bit of '80s retro nostalgia, right up there with legwarmers and the Walkman. Several of the people that I played 3E with (circa 2002-2003) thought that D&D [I]had[/I] went out of print at some point. When I tell people that I play role-playing games, they don't even [I]think [/I]that I mean something other than video games. Hell, as far back as the 2E days of the mid-'90s, people that work at big retail stores think that I want video game guides or comic books when I ask about D&D. My wife started with tabletop gaming in 2001... With 1E. That's what the group she was with played and that's what they introduced her to. She got her copy of the 1E [I]Player's Handbook[/I] in a used bookstore and it never occurred to her that there were different versions of the game at all until we started dating in 2004. When I was living in California in the late '90s, the vast majority of 2E players I met started tabletop RPGs with [I]Vampire: the Masquerade[/I]. They branched out into various versions of D&D when they were introduced by older players that started with D&D and played [I]Vampire [/I]too. I met a small handful of people who started in the same way with [I]Call of Cthulhu[/I] and the West End Games version of the [I]Star Wars[/I] RPG. It was actually more common to find people there that started with games other than D&D. Some people know of Dragonlance or Forgotten Realms as a novel line, but in my experience, tabletop RPGs are still just as "obscure and fringe" as they have ever been. I just can't imagine that they'd suffer more in that respect with a lack of official support. I think that finding new players will be just as easy or difficult as it is now. [/QUOTE]
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