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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5767756" data-attributes="member: 957">Again, I agree with you that staying the course is their best option.  Though I'd say I'm far less optimistic than you regarding their existing "solid chassis on which to build".  They clearly have an excellent chassis on which to keep Pour and other existing 4E fans happy.  And they can always maintain that fraction of the market and hope that the overall market grows.  But I suspect they want a larger share and I don't think their current model will cater to that.So are you saying that 4E won't grow much, but their support of people playing other games will?Well, if you truly lose 1 and gain 4 then that IS solid business.   It just didn't go that way.Oh, I 100% agree that it was time to move on.  I love 3E, but is was old and saturated.  I was in the minority that PRAISED WotC the day 4E was announced.  It was only after details emerged that I left.  I'm not hung up on edition loyalty.  But they didn't JUST move on from 3E.  They also changed their game design philosophy.  That was the huge error they made.As much of a PF fan I am, I'm still amazed that it is as wildly successful as it is.  And I think there are three key elements to that.  Their combination of no-mechanical support (both flavor and story stuff and simple customer awareness and service) are outstanding.  There changes to the 3E core were just enough to make things fresh.  And, last but not least, a ton of people looked at 4E and found they didn't know how well they had it under 3E until 3E was gone.Absolutely.  "By the standards of other RPGs" it is still at the top of the heap.  It may be 20% below PF or it may be 20% above PF.  But it is still huge.  I suspect it is now below and slipping, but I don't claim to know that level of detail.But, the thing is, I don't think it is doing nearly as well as a game with the D&D brand SHOULD be doing and I also think if those mechanics were out there without the free boost that the D&D brand adds, it would have been long gone by now.Sure.  And as someone content with 4E that is a fair position.But keep in mind along with your optimism, they have turned their backs on fans before.  It can happen again.</blockquote>

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