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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8586525" data-attributes="member: 23751">At this point you are deliberately engaging in Strawmen and not my argument. Knock it off. Nothing I have said has been about perceiving die rolls and you know it.So I've told you this before and will say it again now.&nbsp; I'm arguing RAW here and when I discuss RAW, don't make the mistake of thinking that's how I run my game.&nbsp; Sometimes I follow RAW, but often I run my game very differently.&nbsp; I just don't claim my changes are RAW like you are doing.&nbsp; There is no RAW simultaneous action.&nbsp; RAW is sequential as I showed by giving you the hard rule on it.&nbsp; You've only shown me a fluff piece in support of your side of things.By RAW people on the battlefield notice almost everything unless the DM says otherwise during special circumstances.&quot;In combat, most creatures stay alert for signs of danger all around, so if you come out of hiding and approach a creature, it usually sees you. However, under certain circumstances, the DM might allow you to stay hidden as you approach a creature that is distracted, allowing you to gain advantage on an attack roll before you are seen.No.&nbsp; I'm saying that every round for 60 rounds you can tell the DM that you are crawling.&nbsp; The end result is 10 minutes of battlefield crawling, assuming the pc isn't dead before then.Because I don't need to.&nbsp; See above on the difference between arguing what RAW allows and how I play. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Not really. Above you described adversarial DMing and just arbitrarily announced that the PC was dead.&nbsp; I'm saying that it's a freaking battle and the crawling PC will probably be attacked at some point and if he just stays crawling around, will ultimately end up dead.&nbsp; That's just a natural in game consequence of the action, not adversarial DMing which I view as always wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8586525, member: 23751"] At this point you are deliberately engaging in Strawmen and not my argument. Knock it off. Nothing I have said has been about perceiving die rolls and you know it. So I've told you this before and will say it again now. I'm arguing RAW here and when I discuss RAW, don't make the mistake of thinking that's how I run my game. Sometimes I follow RAW, but often I run my game very differently. I just don't claim my changes are RAW like you are doing. There is no RAW simultaneous action. RAW is sequential as I showed by giving you the hard rule on it. You've only shown me a fluff piece in support of your side of things. By RAW people on the battlefield notice almost everything unless the DM says otherwise during special circumstances. "In combat, most creatures stay alert for signs of danger all around, so if you come out of hiding and approach a creature, it usually sees you. However, under certain circumstances, [B]the DM might allow[/B] you to stay hidden as you approach a creature that is distracted, allowing you to gain advantage on an attack roll before you are seen. No. I'm saying that every round for 60 rounds you can tell the DM that you are crawling. The end result is 10 minutes of battlefield crawling, assuming the pc isn't dead before then. Because I don't need to. See above on the difference between arguing what RAW allows and how I play. ;) Not really. Above you described adversarial DMing and just arbitrarily announced that the PC was dead. I'm saying that it's a freaking battle and the crawling PC will probably be attacked at some point and if he just stays crawling around, will ultimately end up dead. That's just a natural in game consequence of the action, not adversarial DMing which I view as always wrong. [/QUOTE]

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