Iggwilv Information Needed

[Pour]

With the release of the 4e Demonomicon, my use of the Lost Caverns and Drelzna in my homebrew, and my want to expand the plots surrounding the Witch Queen, I was hoping someone could tell me who or what is Iggwilv's good/neutral/benevolent counterpart. Has that ever been established? In the original Greyhawk setting, who would come closest you think? I guess it would be too symmetrical to hope there was a female mage or cleric type known to deal with good outsiders a lot.

In my game, Iggwilv is a few thousand years disappeared from the political scene, but somewhere in the shadows, and perhaps even behind the last two demonic wars on the continent. I have a lot going on with Drelzna (recently awakened) as her mother's budding rival, with Fraz-Urb'luu as the daughter's mentor and demonic tutor.

I sort of altered the history so that the ancient dark elf queen mother (not Baba Yaga) trained Iggwilv initially, since it's just more conducive to my world history and I just can't quite support the chicken leg house. I know Graz'zt will figure into this somewhere, too, and maybe the other demon lords once-trapped in Tsojcanth, but yeah, any further history on this wicked witch would be welcome. The Iggwilv wiki leaves me wanting.

 

[hamishspence]

Iggwilv

This wiki has some detail:

Iggwilv - Ghwiki

EDIT: I've checked and it's not that different from the Wikipedia entry though.

Iggwilv's good counterpart, Elena the Fair- is a wizard- but isn't covered in much detail:

http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/index.php?title=Elena_the_Fair

 

[Pour]

That actually helps quite a bit. Thanks.

 

[Deuce Traveler]

You probably already know this, but you should study more about the Company of Seven to understand her importance when she was known as Tasha.

 

[Ripzerai]

Her "mirror universe" good counterpart was called Ahsat, if I recall correctly. She appears briefly in Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk.

Elena the Fair was her adopted sister.

 

[James Jacobs]

We actually statted her up in Dungeon #149, if you're looking for some over-the-top CR 30 or so mayhem...

 

[hamishspence]

Iggwilv stats

I've got that issue. One of the things that caught my attention was- she uses the Complete Arcane version of Automatic Quicken Spell. (quickens 0-1st level spells)

Whereas every NPC with that feat in a splatbook published after Complete Arcane, such as Inferno in Power of Faerun, or Laeral in Waterdeep: City of Splendours, has ignored Complete Arcane, and used the Epic Handbook version (quickens 0-3rd level spells)

Even if the splatbook uses other Complete Arcane content.

Is the Complete Arcane one more balanced, or a bit too weak?

 

[Pour]

Much appreciated everyone. Iggwilv is one of those D&D icons you want to see get her due. There's just so much potential.

When I first started DMing, I was so adamant about using only my own ideas and characters, to the point I denied myself a lot of really excellent material from past editions and other media. I guess back then I felt I had something to prove, that I could be a creative hermit without outside influence, but as my campaigns progressed and years passed, I found no DM is an island and began to embrace more and more those elements of books, movies, comics, video games and old school that really spoke to me.

Iggwilv is a part of that. I'd run Lost Caverns once in my 3.5 game, had some memorable times in there, and my 4e game starring that group's children was begging for a return. I never much payed any attention to the deeper story with my first romp, but this go the AD&D module had really sparked a creative wildfire. I've managed to expand certain caverns into whole civilizations and build up a highly political series of plots around Iggwilv and the Planar Nexus. Dao, Drelzna, demon lords, the freed tiefling Tsojcanth, a Troll King, it's all been hugely successful.

And it all began with this picture:

 

[James Jacobs]

I've got that issue. One of the things that caught my attention was- she uses the Complete Arcane version of Automatic Quicken Spell. (quickens 0-1st level spells)

Whereas every NPC with that feat in a splatbook published after Complete Arcane, such as Inferno in Power of Faerun, or Laeral in Waterdeep: City of Splendours, has ignored Complete Arcane, and used the Epic Handbook version (quickens 0-3rd level spells)

Even if the splatbook uses other Complete Arcane content.

Is the Complete Arcane one more balanced, or a bit too weak?

We used the Complete Arcane version because it was more recent than the Epic book version, and also it was designed to work natively with 3.5 rather than 3.0. Not sure why those other books ignored Complete Arcane, although my gut tells me that the designers didn't realize that the feat had been updated in Complete Arcane. (shrug)

 

[Runestar]

Is the Complete Arcane one more balanced, or a bit too weak?

Too weak, IMO, since I would probably be better off taking quicken spell, improved metamagicx3, improved spell capacity and quickening half of my spells. And it would use up fewer than 9 epic feats.

The original ELH version is quite fine as is, IMO.