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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3599661" data-attributes="member: 22779">Sorry, but, which publisher has 200 ish page hardcovers in full color for about 35 bucks US?  Other than WOTC of course.  On the innovation front - just to pick one - which company brought us the new format for modules?  Other companies have been doing modules for years.  Yet, the format of those modules hasn't changed significantly ever.  Like it or not, at least WOTC has attempted to break out of the standard mold for presenting modules.That's of course, ignoring books like Tome of Magic, Book of 9 Swords, Unearthed Arcana, and probably a dozen other books that I can't think of right now.You can poke WOTC for a lot of things, but, lack of production values and lack of innovation aren't really one of them.Replacing one product with another is not fracturing the consumer base.  If they had continued to support 3e as well as 3.5, then you would be splitting your consumer base.  However, replacing a product with another one does not.There's the rub isn't it.  That whole "solid" contributers thing.  How come people don't point at all the crap that came out in the early days of D20 as a massive turn off to new gamers?  We've now managed to winnow the field down to some pretty solid producers, but, IMO, the hobby simply isn't big enough to support numerous contributers.And that's more than fair.  I have my own shelves with d20 books on them as well and think that there are some solid books out there.  And that's the point.  Not liking 3.5 D&D is perfectly fine.  Moving on to another game that better suits your needs is bloody fantastic.  But, again, that doesn't make 3.5 D&D a "3.5/the miniatures-based game".  It means that it doesn't appeal to you and probably for that reason.  However, there are numerous posters on this board that talk about not needing minis to play, just to use that example.  I believe it was Crothian who said that it's a big shock to realize that you are no longer the target audience of the game.  Or something to that effect.  That doesn't mean that the game has changed or that it's become bad or anything else.  It simply means that you are not enjoying it now.  Fantastic.  No one said it should be forever.  Move on to something that does float your boat.</blockquote>

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