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<blockquote data-quote="happyhermit" data-source="post: 6886124" data-attributes="member: 6834463">Comparing leather/heavy armour to being able to use a bow is a bit different, I haven't really had a player feel the need to use a specific type of armour (other than how they describe it) because they all pretty much play the same aside from the stealth penalty. No need to argue on this though, I will try to address the example.I am having a bit of trouble breaking down your description but basically you are saying it is obvious that hide and chain shirt give you better protection than leather or studded leather with a dex of 15 or lower. Sure, and breastplate is better yet. Then you are saying it is hard to work out how much better they are than the heavier armours that will give you a stealth penalty. Ok, I agree with that, even for experienced players it is almost impossible to calculate as there are many situational variables.But... I fail to see the &quot;trap&quot;. If a dex 15 fighter is concerned about stealth, they might take the breastplate ($), or chain shirt, and they will be fine. If they are not, they will take heavier armour and also be fine. If they have a lower Dex, and are still concerned about stealth then it will be obvious from the one simple table that wearing a chain shirt or breastplate will allow them to have stealth but will result in a lower than optimal AC, and they will also be fine.This is really no comparison to how nerfed a fighter with a bow would be in 4e, nor in the &quot;trap&quot; of &quot;playstyle&quot;. A 5e fighter can play either way in both comparisons and still be &quot;viable&quot;, 4e not so much.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="happyhermit, post: 6886124, member: 6834463"] Comparing leather/heavy armour to being able to use a bow is a bit different, I haven't really had a player feel the need to use a specific type of armour (other than how they describe it) because they all pretty much play the same aside from the stealth penalty. No need to argue on this though, I will try to address the example. I am having a bit of trouble breaking down your description but basically you are saying it is obvious that hide and chain shirt give you better protection than leather or studded leather with a dex of 15 or lower. Sure, and breastplate is better yet. Then you are saying it is hard to work out how much better they are than the heavier armours that will give you a stealth penalty. Ok, I agree with that, even for experienced players it is almost impossible to calculate as there are many situational variables. But... I fail to see the "trap". If a dex 15 fighter is concerned about stealth, they might take the breastplate ($), or chain shirt, and they will be fine. If they are not, they will take heavier armour and also be fine. If they have a lower Dex, and are still concerned about stealth then it will be obvious from the one simple table that wearing a chain shirt or breastplate will allow them to have stealth but will result in a lower than optimal AC, and they will [U]also be fine[/U]. This is really no comparison to how nerfed a fighter with a bow would be in 4e, nor in the "trap" of "playstyle". A 5e fighter can play either way in both comparisons and still be "viable", 4e not so much. [/QUOTE]

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