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<blockquote data-quote="timbannock" data-source="post: 3822876" data-attributes="member: 17913">I have a few players who feel the same way.&nbsp; They saw 3.5, and they see 4E, as a money-grab to some degree, but also as a way to change D&amp;D into something &quot;else.&quot;&nbsp; Perhaps make it more its own milieu, perhaps something else.Anyway, they say &quot;4E?&nbsp; Already?&nbsp; Great, they are going to nerf [insert favorite spell or feat here], change how [insert ability here] works, dumb down [insert book-keeping element here]&quot;From a DM's perspective, 3.5 did a lot right.&nbsp; It did a lot wrong, too, but the change from 3.0 to 3.5 had a big impact on DM's and how the game ran from their side of the table.I personally think that 4E is taking that and running hail mary with it.&nbsp; They are blowing all the chaff from the wheat, killing a lot of sacred cows.&nbsp; The idea is to make the game easier to run, faster to run, but keep the whole sense of options options options.The problem, I think, is that such a sweeping change, all at once, is what's going to hurt things.&nbsp; They are essentially drilling down the most basic idea of what D&amp;D is and rebuilding it from the ground up.&nbsp; Being that it's 30+ years later, and you have different people designing this new edition than those that created the very first edition, it's essentially going to look and feel like a new game.The question then: is this new game better?Well, that's all just opinion, I'm afraid.I like a lot of what I've seen, but I'm concerned by a little bit of it too.&nbsp; Luckily, you can ALWAYS house-rule stuff.Oh, and how is going with the &quot;1st Core Three of 4E&quot; any different than saying &quot;Core Rulebooks only in 3E?&quot;&nbsp; Buy what you want, deny what you don't.&nbsp; If players complain, kick 'em out, here them out, or whatever you do in your current game.Or stick to 3.5.&nbsp; Despite my liking 4E's news so far, I know my players are 3.5E fans, so we'll be sticking with that edition for at least the next year and change (gotta finish Rappan Athuk Reloaded AND World's Largest Dungeon....so maybe the next 2 1/2 to 3 years...)I'll game with 4E players on a different night ;-P</blockquote>

[QUOTE="timbannock, post: 3822876, member: 17913"] I have a few players who feel the same way. They saw 3.5, and they see 4E, as a money-grab to some degree, but also as a way to change D&D into something "else." Perhaps make it more its own milieu, perhaps something else. Anyway, they say "4E? Already? Great, they are going to nerf [insert favorite spell or feat here], change how [insert ability here] works, dumb down [insert book-keeping element here]" From a DM's perspective, 3.5 did a lot right. It did a lot wrong, too, but the change from 3.0 to 3.5 had a big impact on DM's and how the game ran from their side of the table. I personally think that 4E is taking that and running hail mary with it. They are blowing all the chaff from the wheat, killing a lot of sacred cows. The idea is to make the game easier to run, faster to run, but keep the whole sense of options options options. The problem, I think, is that such a sweeping change, all at once, is what's going to hurt things. They are essentially drilling down the most basic idea of what D&D is and rebuilding it from the ground up. Being that it's 30+ years later, and you have different people designing this new edition than those that created the very first edition, it's essentially going to look and feel like a new game. The question then: is this new game better? Well, that's all just opinion, I'm afraid. I like a lot of what I've seen, but I'm concerned by a little bit of it too. Luckily, you can ALWAYS house-rule stuff. Oh, and how is going with the "1st Core Three of 4E" any different than saying "Core Rulebooks only in 3E?" Buy what you want, deny what you don't. If players complain, kick 'em out, here them out, or whatever you do in your current game. Or stick to 3.5. Despite my liking 4E's news so far, I know my players are 3.5E fans, so we'll be sticking with that edition for at least the next year and change (gotta finish Rappan Athuk Reloaded AND World's Largest Dungeon....so maybe the next 2 1/2 to 3 years...) I'll game with 4E players on a different night ;-P [/QUOTE]

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