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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vradna" data-source="post: 3823555" data-attributes="member: 21102">I completely empathise with Odhanan.  I was initially worried since the announcement and have been reduced to the comment 'meh' when speaking about 4th Ed.  I appreciate what WotC is trying to to in order to keep (what they view as) D&D alive, but I find myself looking elsewhere for enjoyment.To comment constructively on what Odhanan could do to get excited about his D&D again is to look around at some other games.  I would suggest:Castles & CrusadesOSRICTrue20Mutants and MastermindsI find that I am converting more and more to Castles and Crusades, personally.  It reminds me of a younger me (a geeky, 15 year-old student) playing Temple of Elemental Evil in his school lunch hour with Mr Mullins the music teacher/DM. Perhaps Odhanan, you could give it a look.Huh.  Funny.  It is only since writing this that I realise that I am over it;  I no longer feel like I need to dance to the tune.  When 4th Edition comes out, maybe I will get it, maybe I won't.  As a customer, I am going to rely completely on reviews before I look at it, but I am sure WotC will produce some fine work when they release 4th and later Editions <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>